"An art whose medium is language will always show a high degree of critical creativeness, for speech is itself a critique of life."

~ Thomas Mann (1875 - 1955)


Go Back   World Literature Forum > Publishing & Literary News > The Blogosphere

Notices


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-Sep-2008, 14:05
JPS JPS is offline
Reader
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 29
JPS is on a distinguished road
Default Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: my new blog entry on genre fiction

Red Room | Where the Writers Are
__________________
Quand j’entends le mot revolver, je sors ma culture.
—Jean-Patrick Manchette
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-Sep-2008, 23:33
Stewart's Avatar
Admin
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Glasgow, UK
Posts: 1,172
Reading: All Quiet On The Western Front, Erich Maria Remarque
Translator: Brian Murdoch
Stewart is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: my new blog entry on genre fiction

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPS View Post
"The fact that Tom Rob Smith’s well-written and compelling Child 44 is on the Man Booker Prize longlist says much about how seriously at least one genre is being taken."

Well-written? Please do chime in.

But thrillers have been on the list before. Brian Moore's Lies Of Silence and The Colour Of Blood made it in the late eighties, early nineties. So I suppose they are being taken seriously. It may just be that publishers haven't dared submit thrillers to the prize before out of feeling there was no point. The longlisting, if anything, should spur more genre publishers to give it a bash next year. Sturgeon's Law will then do its work.
__________________
booklit | goodreads
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-Sep-2008, 01:35
JPS JPS is offline
Reader
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 29
JPS is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: my new blog entry on genre fiction

I thought it was compellingly-written (not over-written as so many first novels are), and his handling of the research was done with much more subtlety than one might expect.

My problem was with how the plot resolved itself. I sensed the hand of an editor dealing with a slightly messier conclusion and asking for it to be neatened up in a reader-friendly way. To some degree it spoiled the book for me, but until then I found the writing to be well above-average for a genre book such as this.

I'd read the Brian Moore (Lies of Silence) when it first came out (I'd read all of his books by then), and I wouldn't necessarily call it a thriller per se, but a literary novel using certain suspense elements.

My opinion, only, of course.

I can't comment on the writing of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, as I'd only read it in translation.
__________________
Quand j’entends le mot revolver, je sors ma culture.
—Jean-Patrick Manchette
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-Sep-2008, 01:50
Stewart's Avatar
Admin
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Glasgow, UK
Posts: 1,172
Reading: All Quiet On The Western Front, Erich Maria Remarque
Translator: Brian Murdoch
Stewart is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: my new blog entry on genre fiction

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPS View Post
I thought it was compellingly-written (not over-written as so many first novels are), and his handling of the research was done with much more subtlety than one might expect.
I suppose since I don't read many crime thrillers I'm in no place to comment on them in that context. Do they really tell everything without a bit of breathing room between writer and reader? That's what annoyed me. In my head I've always liked someone standing there with their arms crossed and tapping their feet without the author adding "He was annoyed", or some such.

Viewpoint was the other bugbear: that it would jump sometimes from paragraph to paragraph. There' was even one occasion, where the two characters who hadn't met, that went something like this:
Mr A walked along the path. He saw a man sitting up ahead on a log. Mr B got up off the log and looked back along the path. He had been waiting for this moment.
Quote:
My problem was with how the plot resolved itself. I sensed the hand of an editor dealing with a slightly messier conclusion and asking for it to be neatened up in a reader-friendly way.
It was terrible, yes. I don't doubt it would work better as a movie, which was the original intention anyway.
__________________
booklit | goodreads
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-Sep-2008, 04:18
JPS JPS is offline
Reader
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 29
JPS is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: my new blog entry on genre fiction

Stewart, I see your point, but I should also say that genre fiction--like screenplays, even by the most gifted screenwriter--has to be weighed on a different set of scales. Pace, beat, revelation and reversal are very key to any work in a genre. We really can't judge a novel by Ian Rankin in the same way we would a work of fiction by Sebald or Javier Marías.

(The book is being adapted by Richard Price, by the way, another literary novelist who very successfully and skillfully turned to genre; some of his work can be seen in the TV series "The Wire" as well as in, for instance, his novel Clockers. He's good, and he'll do a great job on the script.)

I'm deeply grounded in the classics of literature, have two degrees in it, and have been writing and publishing fiction for thirty years. But I can also appreciate the novels of Raymond Chandler and the works of Jean-Patrick Manchette and Eric Ambler and John Le Carré, because what they do within their genres is intelligent and often incisive and, yes, sometimes beautifully written.

I don't think one goes to a crime novel or a thriller for the kinds of subtlety we find in Proust (though Proust did recognize that there's more true emotion in the cheap song sung in a smoky cabaret than the aria sung in the opera house--he understood what can be done with what some people might consider the "lower arts", and disdained the price-taggery of high-mindedness), and if we want the obvious, well, we can read Dostoevsky, whose novels are full of outrageous tropes and cheap emotions, as great as they are. But one thing I've learned as a writer is to respect as well as play with the limits and structures of genre.

Yes, I wrote a spy novel, but it's also something more, a study in the nature of creation, and how creation can sometimes overwhelm reality. But my book can be read in a number of different ways.

And, really, isn't A la Recherche du temps perdu something of a detective novel, the tale of a man seeking something that has been lost? And doesn't he, in the end, find it in the most unexpected way?

Just another kind of detective novel, right?
__________________
Quand j’entends le mot revolver, je sors ma culture.
—Jean-Patrick Manchette

Last edited by JPS; 05-Sep-2008 at 14:36.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 25-Sep-2008, 22:36
JPS JPS is offline
Reader
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 29
JPS is on a distinguished road
Default The Other: my new blog entry on the importance of reading outside one's own culture

J.P. Smith | Red Room Writer Profile | Red Room
__________________
Quand j’entends le mot revolver, je sors ma culture.
—Jean-Patrick Manchette
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Short Stories - a neglected genre? Eric General Discussion 42 24-Oct-2008 17:16
Daniel Hahn Translation Blog Stewart Literary Translation 12 22-Oct-2008 12:49
Manuel Puig: Kiss Of The Spider Woman Sybarite Americas Literature 1 30-Sep-2008 10:18


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:10.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC8