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    I thought it would be good to take a look at one of the other American writers I said might have a shot at the Nobel. I would have nominated them at least, and I do feel they have to reach out and give the American literary establishment something in the near future. After awarding many American writers early on, in the last 35 years its been Saul Bellow, and Toni Morrison.

    I said Gore Vidal or Edward Albee, (see his thread below), both had a shot to win it because they have a supremely impressive legacy, are both getting very old, and would both be unexpected winners, which is I think something the Committee likes. They don't want to seem to go to big name predictable people like Phillip Roth.

    Gore Vidal, though mostly known for his essays, (more on them later), is also a prominent novelist. He, in my opinion, sadly choose to dedicate most of his career to Americana historical novels and satires.

    His third published book was The City and The Pillar. It got him blacklisted from all national media outlets for 6 years. Why? It dealt with homosexuality frankly. It displayed it as a natural impulse and at the novel's end the protagonist wasn't killed, or morally chastised, or learns the error of his ways. It was scandalous. Considered to be one of the major works of gay literature in 1930s-1950s, it was the first thing to really make a splash for Vidal. It is also, in my opinion, a very good book. A doomed sort of love story. I think Vidal is a lot more sensitive to criticism than he lets on, and this and various other things might be what has made so supremely bitter and acerbic over the years.

    His first book to break out as a reviewed and well received work afterwords, was Julian, a historical novel on Julian the Apostate. My favorite historical novel. I'm not normally a fan of the genre, but this was a great book. Vidal again showed his chops as a writer of fiction.

    The only other book of his I've read is Live From Golgotha. While hilarious it quickly turns tedious as the jokes become repetitious. A satire and not the best of his works.

    Myra Breckridge is another major book of his, quite controversial in its time because of its frank, detailed depictions of sex and its transgender main character. I've not read it yet, but I intend to sometime.

    Aside from those Vidal has written a variety of historical novels, and some satires. He's been called by some critics to be the finest historical novelist in America's history. He was also involved in Hollywood for several years, writing various screenplays, including a final doctoring of Ben Hur for which he was left uncredited. He put out a couple of plays as well.

    But now we come to the main part of his legacy; his essays. I've read his Collected Essays, and it is an enlightening piece. He is so great that even in places where you intensely disagree with him and dislike his tone, you find yourself beaten into submission by the brutal force of his arguments. I've never read someone as concise, clear, and intelligent as Vidal. As one critic put it, 'even his blind spots are illuminating'. Gore Vidal is one of the major essayists of the 20th Century, with a pantheon of works. He has discussed everything from Post Modernism, to Ronald Reagan and homosexuality.

    If you want to look at a member of the American Aristocracy, Vidal is the place to start. He has illuminating writings about his friendship with John F. Kennedy, (his mother's last husband was Jacqueline Kennedy's stepfather) about helping his blind Grandfather, a U.S. Senator from Oklahoma, (who detested his constituents according to Gore), as a young kid. He was related to the Roosevelt's, and talks dismissively about not liking Eleanor, and had a long friendship with Theodore Roosevelt's daughter Alice. His father had a passionate relationship with Amelia Earhart, and his mother had affairs with Clark Gable. It's hard to find someone with more one on one experience with historical American figures in film and politics than Gore Vidal. He is the epitome of the rich Yankee family, intimately involved in the highest echelons of American society.

    He's not afraid to be offensive or abrasive. Which is most impressive. I admire that courage to be a total jackass on occasion. I love his essay from a few years back entitled, "Rest in Peace in Hell: William Buckley", where, after reading an obituary article that made him look like a bully for an altercation he had with Buckley in the 60s, he rips Buckley's legacy and pisses on his grave, thoroughly pleased to have outlived him. I think it's a great example of his writing:

    I can recall that day in the 1930s when a “news” (sic) magazine appeared in Washington, D.C.; it was called Newsweek: meant to be a counterbalance to Time Magazine’s uncontrollable malice. In due course the two became sadly alike as Vincent Astor morphed into Henry Luce: Was it something in the water? I once asked Henry Luce why he called Time a news magazine when it was simply Uncle Harry’s means of venting his rage (this was 1960 or so) at liberals, and “degenerate art” like the plays of Tennessee Williams—he had no answer. At Newsweek Vincent Astor was far too stupid to answer any such complaint. Now here we are in the Newsweek of 2008, and it’s still lousy. There have been a few decent writers in between that were less nutty than today’s Newsweek hacks.

    But why is Newsweek currently lousy? Here’s an example provided by an editor who keeps a sharp eye on their crimes. He sent me their recent obituary of William F. Buckley, a hero to those who feared democracies.
    Buckley bridled at bullies [we are assured]. But one of the rare times he lost his temper was debating Gore Vidal, who “got under his skin,” says son Chris. When Vidal called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi,” Buckley responded, “Now listen, you queer, you stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.” But usually his public manners were genteel [I think they mean gentile]. With “Firing Line” guests who seemed nervous or over their heads, Buckley was gentle. Behind the scenes, he could show remarkable kindness. In 1980, a rising conservative star, Congressman Bob Bauman, was soliciting a 16-year-old [male] for oral sex. Bauman had been a gay-basher, and he instantly became a pariah. The next day, knowing what lay ahead for the disgraced congressman, Buckley quietly gave him an envelope containing $10,000. “He was a knightly man,” says Chris.
    Unknown to them and everyone else who might read that publication, my views on many matters do not conform to the tired hacks who’ve taken over Newsweek, a magazine that has convinced itself that Bobby Kennedy Sr. was a great liberal. They love throwing about misunderstood terms like liberal and conservative that seldom suit their superficial, not to mention malicious, standards. Recently, their words of mourning for the fallen “genteel” paladin were incredible. As my editor friend knew that I seldom read the wilder attacks on me, he deconstructs Newsweek’s obituary of Buckley:
    Parenthetically, I should note that, back in 1968, ABC TV had asked me and Buckley to “debate” each other at the Democratic and Republican conventions. Although Buckley was often drunk and out of control, he was always a spontaneous liar on any subject that his dizzy brain might extrude. When we were in Chicago during the Republican convention, the Chicago police decided it would be fun to attack the young co-ed demonstrators in Grant Park, not far from our studio. It was one of the worst displays of police brutality I’ve ever seen, and so I said on air; he liked what the police had done; in no time, the whole country was as shocked as I, but not Buckley. On air he was hissing like a cobra against the young people in Grant Park because, he said, they were egging on the Viet Cong to kill American Marines. They were not, of course. Buckley was a world-class American liar on the far right who would tell any lie he thought he could get away with. Years of ass-kissing famous people in the press and elsewhere had given him, he felt, a sort of license to libelously slander those hated liberals who, from time to time, smoked him out as I did in Chicago, when I defended the young people in Grant Park by denying that they were Nazis and that the only “pro- or crypto-Nazi” I could think of was himself. He sued me and got nowhere. He sued Esquire, in which our words appeared. By then the coming right-wing surge was in view. And so Esquire cravenly agreed to settle with him for a few paragraphs worth of free advertising for his weird little magazine The National Review, hardly the great victory he claimed.

    Now, to Newsweek’s obituary of this late dishonorable American in which my editor-friend assures me that his brain-dead son Christopher had a hand: “Buckley bridled at bullies.” And who was the bully in context? Myself. He was also an expert at changing indefensible contexts. Buckley maintained that I supported revolutionaries who favored murdering U.S. Marines. Yet all the talk of Nazis etc. was started by Buckley. There was no lie he would not tell to get back at those who defeated him in debate. The current editors at Newsweek appear to have listened eagerly to his son Christopher, who is guiding them to a benign view of what had been a most hysterical queen (WFB), much admired by a media that takes everyone at his own evaluation of himself as they did with Capote, who told them that he was a great writer like Proust (pronounced Prowst) and the hacks ate it up.
    The correct assessment of any reputation today is so far from plausible reality that it might be a good thing if the hacks of a magazine like Newsweek steered clear of characterizing those disliked by the advertisers; hence his creepy son’s depiction of me as a “bully” when I was simply attending to one, and then—o, joy!—Buckley called me a “queer” and actually threatened me with physical violence, so great was his testosterone level. Next, the loyal son, suspecting that the pejorative use of “queer” is politically incorrect in mag-land, Christopher rambles into a story about his father’s kindness to a Mr. Bauman who had lost his seat in Congress after the congressman had been caught while soliciting Oral Sex from a 16-year-old male (note how prurient Newsweek’s prose is, in describing undesirable people). Chris weeps into his computer as he describes how Dad gave the poor sinner of the flesh an envelope containing $10,000 (I bet?) in cash adding, mysteriously, “He was a knightly man”: Who was—the cocksucker recipient of Buckley’s charity? Or his admirer, Mr. Buckley himself?—Bauman was very right wing, it is said. RIP WFB—in hell.
    The unique mess that our republic is in can be, in part, attributed to a corrupt press whose roots are in mendacious news (sic) magazines like Time and Newsweek, aided by tabloids that manufacture fictional stories about actual people. This mingling of opinion and fiction has undone a media never devoted to truth. Hence, the ease with which the Republican smear-machine goes into action when they realize that yet again the party’s permanent unpopularity with the American people will cause them defeat unless they smear individually those who question the junk that the media has put into so many heads. Anyone who says “We gotta fight ‘em over there or we’re gonna have to fight ‘em over here.” This absurdity has been pronounced by every Republican seeking high office. The habit of lying is now a national style that started with “news” magazines that was further developed by pathological liars that proved to be “good” Entertainment on TV. But a diet of poison that has done none of us any good.
    I speak ex cathedra now, ad urbe et orbe, with a warning that no society so marinated in falsity can long survive in a real world.
    And here is a general bibliography for those of you interested:

    Essays and non-fiction



    [edit] Plays



    [edit] Novels



    [edit] Screenplays



    [edit] Under pseudonyms


    • A Star's Progress (aka Cry Shame!) (1950) as Katherine Everard
    • Thieves Fall Out (1953) as Cameron Kay
    • Death Before Bedtime (1953) as Edgar Box
    • Death in the Fifth Position (1952) as Edgar Box
    • Death Likes It Hot (1954) as Edgar Box
    "I am not young enough to know everything" -Oscar Wilde
    "The best way to protect your place in this world is to do nothing at all." -From Ikiru

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    United States: essays 1952?1992 is, quite simply, one of the greatest collections of essays and articles I've ever read in my short life. Apart from Noam Chomsky, I've never read such lucid political analyses from an American, so informative, fact-supported and humanist. The fact that the man was born in the American aristocracy - he's related to Al Gore - and has lived in the world of politics since childhood has given him a panoramic, insightful view of politics.

    And his knowledge of literature is just as remarkable. After reading his essay on Henry James I actually decided to give him another try and today, although I'm not crazy about him, am willing to read him from time to time.

    Also, he's possibly the only man keeping alive the noble art of witty invectives. He's our modern day Voltaire, ridiculing his enemies with intelligence and a lot of humor.

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    Indeed. There are few essayists like him, and he literally does write about everything. He really is America's last great intellectual, there aren't any great, lucid writers who have a wide audience and write on a wide range of issues.

    Well, I am putting my money where my mouth is. I've checked out The City and the Pillar revised and will be reading it so that I can discuss it. Also his At Home essay collection. I thought about Myra Breckenridge, but after thumbing through it, decided against, though it was funny it was far too fragmented for my tastes.

    He had an interesting little essay discussing 9/11 and attacking Bush as war hungry and the American electorate as ignorant. He truly hit the nail on the hammer I think, in saying that the Islamic extremists are little different than our James Dobson's, except that they have the ball's to do what they preach. Vidal was very schathing in attacking the idea of perpetual war for perpetual peace, and included a 7 page table listing all of the various engagements and wars America has been involved in over the last 50 years, not including the various rebel groups the U.S. funded in Central America to kill Marxists. For instance we Americans under Reagan were the major funders of death squads in Honduras, the ones that took 73 year old women out of their homes in the dead of night, took them into the jungle, and shot them and buried them in mass graves.

    I really think that if the Committee was going to give it to an American writer, Gore Vidal is sort of ideal for their tastes; unexpected, an extremely impressive and lengthy legacy, aging, and politically in line with their worldview. He also had another historical novel, Creation, which was a big bestseller in 1981. It was a bit long for the moment, but it looked very interesting and well written from what small sections I looked at. I will read it eventually.
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    His essays really do make for great reading. Because of your enthusiasm, waalkwriter, I've spent the past couple of days dipping into United States, a book I first read several years ago. It really is a mammoth collection.
    I'm afraid I still have to disagree with you regarding his novels though. I found them good, but certainly not great. He has (judging by the above list) written twenty five novels, but if he weren't such a fine essayist I doubt we'd even be talking about him...

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    I think Vidal will be most remembered as an essayist, quite rightly as some of his essays are superb. But I regard his historical novels highly. His portrait of Lincoln is one of the best I've encountered, fiction or non-fiction. Burr I think is a classic of the genre. Those are two novels I've often recommended to friends and co-workers over the years with success. I understand he wrote them to make money, but he took them seriously, thoroughly researched, skillfully plotted.

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    I think so too, his essays are superb. Although I haven't read him in years, if I read him again it'll be one of his collections of essays.

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    Thanks, Liam.

    "I came of age in Virginia in the 1960s and first knew Vidal as a TV personality. It was the age of talk show intellectuals and he appeared regularly on television along with Truman Capote, Norman Mailer, and others. He was memorably smooth, articulate and witty."

    It's hard to imagine a time when channels invited intelligent people to debate on TV shows, writers no less.

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