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    Hey Isa - I would love to see a list of some of your favourites of his work. I think that his greatest successes are in the ballad form, personally, but I also don't think I'm interesting in reading his lyrics so much as hearing them. Whenever I read them, even for songs that are unfamiliar to me, I feel like they are just half-versions of the thing they are meant to be. Which is true. They aren't meant to be read from the page, even if they were published that way (much like how the paintings of Gustav Klimt were not meant to be seen in a picture book, no matter the quality of the printer, even if they have been published that way).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ater, Lividus, Ruber, & V View Post
    Thanks! That's a good read.

    I'll likely buy his book of lyrics one day.

    Upthread (sorry, I'm on my phone and it isn't easy to go back and see) somebody said that they quite liked the lyrics from Tempest, one of his most recent albums and, correct me if I'm wrong, his most recent one of original works. I think it is a good album. I like listening to it. I think the Titanic epic is over rated, but the rest of the album is great. I'd recommend looking at Together Through Life. I think it contains some of his most interesting love songs...

    Though I also wonder at the hints of misogyny that you see in his works. I'm never sure what that means when I read it. Like, is it the author or the narrator, and how do we know?

    It amazes me that I still can read French perfectly fine even though when I try to think in it I can only manage a few words before my Spanish kicks in and reduces my french to a stuttering and embarrassing display of incompetence.

    I need to start using it more.
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    I'll work on putting together a list after work today.

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    I'm the one who liked The Tempest upthread. Disclaimer: I've never actually heard the song, just liked the lyrics. Second disclaimer: I'm not much of a poetry person, so take my opinions on this stuff with a grain of salt.

    That said, one thing I wanted to add is that although I don't totally agree with the decision to award Dylan the Nobel, I do agree when Danius said "he could and should be read." He's a fun writer, in my opinion at least

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    Yes, I am also curious to see your list, Isa!

    I agree with the point that some of his songs need to be heard rather than read. Still, I think his work has become famous for the lyrics, not for the music. That's why I strongly disagree with the often made statement that he is a musician and not a poet (by M. Mary among others). If Dylan would have used the simple standard 'I love you, please don't leave me'-type of words for his songs, there is no way he would have become the legend he is. But I know I'm biased. I'm a fan since I started going to secondary school in 1990. I learned my first English through his songs. He's part of my youth. In the beginning I was extremely glad when I heard Sarah Danius speak out his name. Later on I became somewhat less excited because of all the negative reactions and the repetitive poisonous nonsense that kept coming out of people. I am also not very excited about this years anouncement, because I'm not looking forward to everyone's reactions how it is either a so much better choice than last year, or how bad the academy is doing when picking two bad choices in a row.

    I haven't read any of his collections, although I own a few. I do go through them now and then, but like Isa, I have internalized many of his songs by listening to them. I would love to read what readhed thinks about his latest collections and why he rated it 4 stars, rather than 2,3 or 5.

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    I guess it is his vocals that make we think he is not that much musician, but dont you think his fusion (using a modern word for something in the past) with folk and rock is his musician side talking and give him the right medium for his lyrics. Rock basic beat has the tendency for the "i love you, please don't leave me" type of music (or we may call, the Beatles way)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCamilo View Post
    I guess it is his vocals that make we think he is not that much musician, but dont you think his fusion (using a modern word for something in the past) with folk and rock is his musician side talking and give him the right medium for his lyrics. Rock basic beat has the tendency for the "i love you, please don't leave me" type of music (or we may call, the Beatles way)?
    I'm not saying he's a worthless musician. Musically he's good, but that is not what stands out. There are many more who are good, or better when it comes to the technique of playing music. What is interesting about his music though is that he kept renewing himself. Exploring different genres all the time, not afraid of what his fans might think. Still with music alone he would not have been what he is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter_d View Post
    I would love to read what readhed thinks about his latest collections and why he rated it 4 stars, rather than 2,3 or 5.
    Overall, it was a good collection, and although I don't entirely agree with him getting the Nobel, I do agree with Danius saying he could and should be read. But there were a fair number of weak ones. Maybe JCamilo was right and that's just how it is with huge poetry collections, but still it brought it down for me. Also, some of his later lyrics are pretty lacking without the accompanying music (big example for me would be Love Sick).

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    Finally got around to doing this. Here are some of his lyrics I’d say can be read an appreciated as poems. I’m leaving out song links because as the Academy stated, they can and should be read as poetry. Some of these I’m including because of the political significance of the lyrical content. Dylan was a Civil Rights leader.


    The way in which the actual lines are laid out occasionally differs between the website’s lyrics and the lyrics published in the book.


    As I find with most poets and novelists, I doubt you’re going the read through every single thing they’ve published and think it’s a masterpiece. I’ve read plenty of Seamus Heaney works I’ve thought were mediocre compared to many of his more lauded works. Some of my favorite authors have novels I consider trash. With writers who have very slim bibliographies at the time they win prizes like the Nobel (Ishiguro, Morrison, Alexievich) the overall quality of each individual work is obviously a greater factor, but with writers who have been publishing for decades (in Dylan’s case, half a century) I doubt the Academy goes into evaluating their oeuvre expecting every single thing they’ve written to be “great.” In that case, evaluating what they’ve done as a whole seems to be the deciding factor to me.


    Hard Times in New York Town (1961)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/hard-times-new-york-town/


    Talkin’ John Birch Paranoid Blues (1962)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/talkin-jo...aranoid-blues/


    The Death of Emmett Till (1962)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/death-emmett-till/


    Train A-Travelin’ (1963)


    http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/train-a-travelin/


    Tomorrow is a Long Time (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/tomorrow-long-time/


    John Brown (1962)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/john-brown/


    Farewell (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/farewell/


    Girl From the North Country (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/girl-north-country/


    A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall (1962)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/hard-rains-gonna-fall/


    Walls of Red Wing (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/walls-red-wing/


    Dusty Old Fairgrounds (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/dusty-old-fairgrounds/


    The Times They Are A-Changin’ (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/times-they-are-changin/


    With God on Our Side (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/god-our-side/


    Only A Pawn in Their Game (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/only-pawn-their-game/


    The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/lonesome-...attie-carroll/


    Eternal Circle (1963)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/eternal-circle/


    Spanish Harlem Incident (1964)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/spanish-harlem-incident/


    Chimes of Freedom (1964)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/chimes-freedom/


    To Ramona (1964)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/ramona/


    My Back Pages (1964)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/my-back-pages/


    Ballad in Plain D (1964)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/ballad-plain-d/


    Love Minus Zero/No Limit (1965)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/love-minus-zero-no-limit/


    Bob Dylan’s 115th Dream (1965)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/bob-dylans-115th-dream/


    Mr. Tambourine Man (1964)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/mr-tambourine-man/


    Gates of Eden (1964)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/gates-eden/


    Tombstone Blues (1965)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/tombstone-blues/


    Ballad of a Thin Man (1965)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/ballad-thin-man/


    Desolation Row (1965)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/desolation-row/


    Visions of Johanna (1966)


    https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/visions-johanna/


    I Want You (1966)


    https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/i-want-you/


    Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again


    https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/stuck...s-blues-again/


    Fourth Time Around (1966)


    https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/fourth-time-around/


    Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands (1966)


    https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/sad-eyed-lady-lowlands/


    As I Went Out One Morning (1967)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/i-went-out-one-morning/


    I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine (1967)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/i-dreamed...-st-augustine/


    All Along the Watchtower (1967)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/all-along-watchtower/


    The Wicked Messenger (1967)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/wicked-messenger/


    If Dogs Run Free (1970)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/if-dogs-run-free/


    Father of Night (1970)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/father-night/


    Tears of Rage (1967)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/tears-rage/


    Sign on the Cross (1967)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/sign-on-the-cross/


    Something There is About You (1974)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/something-there-about-you/


    Forever Young (1974)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/forever-young/


    Dirge (1974)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/dirge/


    Tangled Up in Blue (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/tangled-blue/


    Idiot Wind (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/idiot-wind/


    Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/lily-rose...d-jack-hearts/


    Shelter From the Storm (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/shelter-storm/


    Hurricane (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/hurricane/


    Isis (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/isis/


    One More Cup of Coffee (Valley Below) (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/one-more-...-valley-below/


    Oh, Sister (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/oh-sister/


    Black Diamond Bay (1976)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/black-diamond-bay/


    Sara (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/sara/


    Golden Loom (1975)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/golden-loom/


    Changing of the Guards (1978)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/changing-guards/


    No Time to Think (1978)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/no-time-think/


    When He Returns (1979)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/when-he-returns/


    Covenant Woman (1979)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/covenant-woman/


    Every Grain of Sand (1981)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/every-grain-sand/


    Caribbean Wind (1980)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/caribbean-wind/


    Jokerman (1983)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/jokerman/


    I and I (1983)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/i-and-i/


    Blind Willie McTell (1983)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/blind-willie-mctell/


    Someone’s Got a Hold of My Heart (1983)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/someones-got-hold-my-heart/


    Tight Connection to My Heart (Has Anyone Seen My Love) (1985)


    https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/tight...-seen-my-love/


    Dark Eyes (1985)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/dark-eyes/


    Maybe Someday (1986)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/maybe-someday/


    Ring Them Bells (1989)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/ring-them-bells/


    Man in the Long Black Coat (1989)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/man-long-black-coat/


    Not Dark Yet (1997)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/not-dark-yet/


    Floater (2001)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/floater-too-much-ask/


    Moonlight (2001)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/moonlight/


    Po’ Boy (2001)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/po-boy/


    Cross the Green Mountain (2003)


    https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-cross-t...ountain-lyrics


    Thunder on the Mountain (2006)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/thunder-mountain/


    When the Deal Goes Down (2006)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/when-deal-goes-down/


    Workingman’s Blues #2 (2006)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/workingmans-blues-2/


    Beyond the Horizon (2006)


    http://bobdylan.com/songs/beyond-horizon/


    Scarlet Town (2012)


    https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/scarlet-town/


    Tin Angel (2012)


    http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/tin-angel/


    Tempest (2012)


    https://bobdylan.com/songs/tempest/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isahoinp View Post
    As I find with most poets and novelists, I doubt you’re going the read through every single thing they’ve published and think it’s a masterpiece. I’ve read plenty of Seamus Heaney works I’ve thought were mediocre compared to many of his more lauded works. Some of my favorite authors have novels I consider trash. With writers who have very slim bibliographies at the time they win prizes like the Nobel (Ishiguro, Morrison, Alexievich) the overall quality of each individual work is obviously a greater factor, but with writers who have been publishing for decades (in Dylan’s case, half a century) I doubt the Academy goes into evaluating their oeuvre expecting every single thing they’ve written to be “great.” In that case, evaluating what they’ve done as a whole seems to be the deciding factor to me.
    Thanks for the extensive list. And you're right, most winners have written some clunkers. Hell, the more I read of Modiano's oeuvre, the less I like him. Can't really compare almost all of Dylan's lyrics with the highlights of other laureates bodies of work. That said, his big book of lyrics remains a 4/5 for me, but you have made me mull over his Nobel a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadshadz View Post
    Thanks for the extensive list. And you're right, most winners have written some clunkers. Hell, the more I read of Modiano's oeuvre, the less I like him. Can't really compare almost all of Dylan's lyrics with the highlights of other laureates bodies of work. That said, his big book of lyrics remains a 4/5 for me, but you have made me mull over his Nobel a bit more.
    I've read probably 10 or 11 Modiano novels. So far I've only considered one to be a serious clunker: So You Don't Get Lost in the Neighborhood, 2014.

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    Aging has a bad effect on many writers, it is like they spark is gone, they either repeat their formulas or just go straigth to whatahell. You can get a very bad impression of Wordsworth if you read the poems of his crank years and end thinking those who died to early were better (how many times people will look at Keats and imagine how greater he could have been). Of course, there is expection and considering how the rock and roll genre is somehow juvenile (not saying only teens listen to it, but there is something in the rock and roll aesthetics that demand some energy/confrotation), so i suppose it is a miracle that an anged rock star still manage to do something interesting. Specially this age where everything is saved, recorded, printed and time has less power to do some quality control.

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    A new book is forthcoming by a Harvard Dylanologist

    https://amp.theguardian.com/books/20...chard-f-thomas

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    Great news!
    I haven't read the one by Christopher Rick's yet and there's another one <3

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    Never heard of this dude before, I'm a little embarrassed LOL. Looking at his Harvard page though, his research areas are SO weird. Latin, Hellenic Lit, Historiography, then BAMM!--> Bob Dylan.

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