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    I have wrote about the film aduptation "Idiot" by Bortko. These are two clips from it:


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    And from "Brothers Karamazov":

    YouTube - Brothers Karamazov Trailer - Subtitled

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    I love Dostoevsky's work very, very much. So far I read "The Brothers Karamazov" three times. Contrary to most people that I've been talking to (they all like Aleksey the most), among brothers I liked Dmitri the most, "the wild beast with a soul". I think this is a fantastic novel, and I'm sure I'm going to read it at least two more times in next five years. I regret Dostoevsky didn't live long enough to make a sequel as he planned.

    I also read "The Idiot". I must admit, I was little disapointed, somehow I expected more. I loved Prince Myshkin and Rogozhin potrayals, but the novel itself left me a bit confused. And, of course, I disliked how it ended.

    I read "Crime and Punishment" many, many years ago as a part of school project. Maybe this is time to re-read it. I also liked "The Gambler"

    On my shelf I have: "The House of the Dead" (which I, in one moment in time, started to read, but stopped), "Notes from Underground" and "Winter Notes on Summer Impressions"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirena View Post
    I love Dostoevsky's work very, very much. So far I read "The Brothers Karamazov" three times. Contrary to most people that I've been talking to (they all like Aleksey the most), among brothers I liked Dmitri the most, "the wild beast with a soul". I think this is a fantastic novel, and I'm sure I'm going to read it at least two more times in next five years. I regret Dostoevsky didn't live long enough to make a sequel as he planned.
    I have a math teacher here who's been reading this book for eight years. Not exclusively, but rather fanatically.

    I've only read Notes from Underground, which I found to be beautiful book. I plan to read Crime and Punishment soon, and will move on from there to The Brothers Karamazov.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igu Soni View Post
    I have a math teacher here who's been reading this book for eight years. Not exclusively, but rather fanatically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirena View Post
    I love Dostoevsky's work very, very much. So far I read "The Brothers Karamazov" three times. Contrary to most people that I've been talking to (they all like Aleksey the most), among brothers I liked Dmitri the most, "the wild beast with a soul". I think this is a fantastic novel, and I'm sure I'm going to read it at least two more times in next five years. I regret Dostoevsky didn't live long enough to make a sequel as he planned.
    Oh, I shouldn't even admit this because I always get killed for it but Brothers Karamazov is easily my least favorite Dostoevsky work. And you know why? Because Aleksey bores me silly! Ivan was my favorite character but I found Dmitri to be fascinating as well. I've had endless conversations about how important Alyosha is and I can accept his important role as a counterpart to Ivan's lack of faith and fatalism and to Dmitri's rashness but in order to be a balance...it has to actually balance! He is so heavily featured and for me, he is easily the least compelling character in the whole book. I know I'm soulless but I can't help it, I don't like him.

    I go back and forth as far as a favorite Dostoevsky, I can't decide between Crime and Punishment and The Possessed...or however it's translated, in our local bookstore it goes by The Possessed, Demons and The Devils but my copy is the former. I love how Crime and Punishment completely got into my head. I remember telling someone that I actually felt the physical sensation of being 'boxed in'. That as Raskolnikov begins to lose his mind, as his own world is getting smaller and smaller because of this madness, I actually felt my own world getting physically smaller. It's claustrophobic at times and uncomfortable but at the same time, how great is it that an author can create that kind of physical sensation with his words?

    And The Possessed! One of the things I love so much about that one is that it's such a great bridge between 19th Century Russia and all it's upper class aristocracy and the revolutionary fervor that would soon take over. I had read a fair amount of 19th Century Russian literature at the time I first read this book and some Soviet era lit and often wondered how one became the other. I understood the sociological and political reasons but you wonder, day to day, how does this switch happen and this book gave me a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirena View Post
    Contrary to most people that I've been talking to (they all like Aleksey the most), among brothers I liked Dmitri the most, "the wild beast with a soul".
    I think Mitka is my favorite as well. There is so much humor in his character and his self-awareness as he goes through the trial

    Eep, did anyone spot a glaring inaccuracy in the summary provided? Dosti would throw a fit!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sif View Post
    Oh, I shouldn't even admit this because I always get killed for it but Brothers Karamazov is easily my least favorite Dostoevsky work. And you know why? Because Aleksey bores me silly! Ivan was my favorite character but I found Dmitri to be fascinating as well. I've had endless conversations about how important Alyosha is and I can accept his important role as a counterpart to Ivan's lack of faith and fatalism and to Dmitri's rashness but in order to be a balance...it has to actually balance! He is so heavily featured and for me, he is easily the least compelling character in the whole book. I know I'm soulless but I can't help it, I don't like him.
    No mortar and pestle here. I think the three sons rolled into one would make a fascinating character. That's been done before, eh? I loved each one for what they both possess and lack in the way of characterization. Somehow it makes them seem more realistic to me.


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    So the only Dostoevsky Ive read is Notes From The Underground. Im thinking I should correct this. What is your favorite Dostoevsky?

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    Well, I've only read Crime and Punishment, but I think you should really give it a try, it won't disappoint you!
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    I'll second Loki's suggestion; while all of the Big Five (Crime & Punishment, Idiot, Demons, The Adolescent and Karamazov) are essential, C&P is probably the best starting point; it's accessible, it's pretty tightly plotted (for Dostoevsky) and it establishes all the themes that made Dostoevsky one of the most important writers ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorn View Post
    C&P is probably the best starting point
    I concur. Start with Crime and Punishment. Read it in the original if you can. (I mean, if I could, why can't you?).

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    Thanks guys. Definitely leaning toward Crime and Punishment now, and being 200 pages shorter is something Im ok with. Liam, you read Russian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB Cooper View Post
    Liam, you read Russian?
    DB, I am shocked and hurt that you're not aware that Russian and Ukrainian are among the languages I am proficient in. (I usually don't push the other ones, what with being dead and forgotten tongues, all of them ).

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    Color me impressed. You should post exclusively in Russian from now on. Ill use google translate and post the results, that should be good for a laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB Cooper View Post
    Color me impressed. You should post exclusively in Russian from now on. Ill use google translate and post the results, that should be good for a laugh.
    Ладно, давай посмотрим што из этого получится. Но на твоем месте я бы не очень надеялся на гугл-переводчика, они никогда ничего не переводят правильно на сто процентов, . Лучше использовать старый проверенный на деле метод книжных словарей, как наверное делает Эрик когда переводит с эстонского...

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    Okay, let's see INTO happens. But in your shoes I would not really hoping for a Google-translator, they never did not translate correctly a hundred percent. Better to use old proven in practice the method of book dictionaries, as surely as does Eric translation from Estonian ...

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    Wow Liam your Russian is pretty rusty, may need to practice a bit

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    Ладно, давай посмотрим што из этого получится. Но на твоем месте я бы не очень надеялся на гугл-переводчика, они никогда ничего не переводят правильно на сто процентов, . Лучше использовать старый проверенный на деле метод книжных словарей, как наверное делает Эрик когда переводит с эстонского...
    Having an important Russian exam tomorrow, I'm happy I have understood most of it without looking anything up in the dictionary. Maybe you've written in a simplified Russian, it may be that! Only one thing: isn't што supposed to be что (although the pronunciation is the same)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DB Cooper View Post
    Wow Liam your Russian is pretty rusty, may need to practice a bit
    Dude! Your translation is horrible. At least my bit was gramatically correct with the exception of that little orthographical mistake that Loki was able to catch, kudos to Loki!

    Yeah, my aunts have been complaining that in my letters I basically spell things the way I hear them, not the way they are properly spelled.
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    Having an important Russian exam tomorrow, I'm happy I have understood most of it without looking anything up in the dictionary.
    Good work and good luck, !

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