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    I feel sorry for anyone who has to read the collective oeuvre of Joyce Carol Oates, . And I'm not necessarily talking about the quality (though that, too, is questionable). She just wrote SO much. Pretty soon she'll eclipse Barbara Cartland.

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    Oh my God!!! Just looking at her bibliography online: 44 novels (and counting), 38 volumes of short stories, 18 books of essays and 11 poetry volumes. This in addition to novellas, dramas, young adult and children's fiction, AND she also wrote and published other books under TWO pseudonyms. Does she not sleep?

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    107 books by Kadare, some of which are strangely in albanian. They even have a book by another author with the preface written by him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    Oh my God!!! Just looking at her bibliography online: 44 novels (and counting), 38 volumes of short stories, 18 books of essays and 11 poetry volumes. This in addition to novellas, dramas, young adult and children's fiction, AND she also wrote and published other books under TWO pseudonyms. Does she not sleep?
    And imagine the member returning: "Friends, comrades, I have read all of Mrs. Oates works. I have not left the house for nine months. I have read nothing but Oates. I have read everything you tasked me with reading."

    "That is terrific, but please go back and check our library. In the time you were away, she published four new novels, with an average of 470 pages. We must reach a decision soon. Hurry!"

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    ^No wonder the suicide rate is so high in Sweden, .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    Oh my God!!! Just looking at her bibliography online: 44 novels (and counting), 38 volumes of short stories, 18 books of essays and 11 poetry volumes. This in addition to novellas, dramas, young adult and children's fiction, AND she also wrote and published other books under TWO pseudonyms. Does she not sleep?
    Not sure which is bigger - Oates' literary output or the size of her glasses in the 1980s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    Oh my God!!! Just looking at her bibliography online: 44 novels (and counting), 38 volumes of short stories, 18 books of essays and 11 poetry volumes. This in addition to novellas, dramas, young adult and children's fiction, AND she also wrote and published other books under TWO pseudonyms. Does she not sleep?
    And she tweets like a maniac, almost non-stop, it's unbelievable. How did she manage to have two husbands?

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    And she tweets like a maniac, almost non-stop, it's unbelievable. How did she manage to have two husbands?
    Probably she reached the top of the genetics field and cloned herself back in the 90's

    By the way, is there anything from Bob Dylan at the Nobel Library?

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    Just went full detective. Right now the academy should be working with a long list of 15-20 authors that they'll whittle down in May, so it makes sense if only a few books are checked out for an author.

    Authors with one or more books out:
    Elena Ferrante
    Mircea Cartarescu
    Ko Un
    Marilynne Robinson
    Karl Ove Knausgaard
    Javier Marias
    Enrique Vila-Matas
    Don DeLillo
    Anne Carson

    Signs they're on the long list?? Interestingly, Jon Fosse doesn't seem to have any books checked out (although I was clicking randomly and not systematically going through his book list), and after the hype around him/his recent award win, I thought he would have had a decent chance this year. Also, despite the hype, the academy has few Vollmann books and only one or two volumes by Maryse Conde. Other authors not checked out: Can Xue, Hwang Sok-yong, Yi Mun-yol, Cesar Aira, Cormac McCarthy, Pynchon, Ngugi, Mia Couto and Krasznahorkai. Although, who knows if this actually tells us anything.

    Edit: Got bored at work so I did a bit more exploring and thinking about what it might mean to have books checked out. Ultimately I'd say I'd give the authors with checked out books a closer look later in the speculation thread but not rule out someone who didn't. Paul Auster and Ishiguro also had some volumes checked out; Ishiguro had like 5 or 6 books all due back in May. Even if this method of looking at checked out material is completely wrong, I'd still guess Ishiguro is on the long list.
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    I guess Ishiguro is most likely on the shortlist. He has at least six books due August

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    I've read a few of his books. On the basis of The Remains of the Day and Never Let Me Go, I think he'd be a worthy winner. I'm reading his latest, The Buried Giant, and while I'm not blown away the book isn't bad, just average. An interesting concept that probably would have been better suited for a novella or short story.

    As for other possibilities on the short list, I have no idea. Checking the authors I listed above, only Ferrante has a book that's due after June, but it's only one book and their selection of her is far from large. They are ordering some new books by her, though, so maybe in the future. And I'm sure at least 1 or 2 are obscure authors we wouldn't ever guess.
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    Went through the database again, Claudio Magris has a lot of books checked out due either very late in July or in August, if this method is actually legit he's probably on the short list too. Winning the Kafka Prize recently probably doesn't hurt. Interestingly, he was not on our radar for the long list, either having no books checked out then or only one or two very far down.

    Here are some that have a few books checked out. Not as many as Ishiguro and Magris, but still a fair amount, although some might just be from the long list and not yet returned (although I think for most of them there might be more by them out than before; I didn't keep records of that stuff. In an attempt to be more systematic for later, I'm listing the books currently out):
    Ko Un-Maninbo: peace and war, Die Sterne über dem Lande der Vater, Ten Thousand Lives (due...June 10th? What?)
    Ferrante-My Brilliant Friend, Those Who Stay and Those Who Leave, The Story of a New Name (due in August!)
    Javier Marias-Dark Back of Time, The Infatuations, A Heart so White, 1st 2 volumes of Your Face Tomorrow
    Lobo-Antunes-Swedish translation of Os Cus de Judas, The Splendor of Portugal, and The Fat and and Infinity and History

    Out of these ones, I'm rooting most for Marias and Lobo-Antunes (although a Korean laureate would be cool). Going off of these, Marias is the one most likely to be on the short list, although a part of me wonders if Academy members could have copies of their own, especially for Ko Un and Lobo-Antunes who have been probably been nominated for quite a while now (although I'd imagine Magris would fall into this category and there are still a ton of his books out). Interestingly, no Jon Fosse or Mircea Cartarescu seems checked out. They're so young I would've been surprised if they had won, but all the critics assumed they'd be at least considered.

    And there are a few people with only 1 or 2 books out, probably more for leisure reading/making sure the academy doesn't go insane reading the same few authors for a couple months straight. Those above could also be check out for this reason. Some of the younger ones here could be indicative of what's to come in the future:
    Can Xue (it looks like they've been getting more of her stuff, too)
    Yan Lianke
    Paul Auster
    Anne Carson
    Rushdie
    Dag Solstad
    Lydia Davis

    Other writers checked out include Pynchon, DeLillo, and Dacia Maraini, but only one or two, not enough to draw conclusions, and given their ages, we can't really say it means anything going forward.

    Edit: Also wanted to say I went back to Ishiguro. He has even more books out now. So maybe not every member has their books checked out yet. Looking up some of the above authors in a week or 2 could reveal revealing.
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    In which case we definitely won't be able to figure out the full short list

    A few months ago I posted some half-baked thoughts on "masterpieces" and the Nobel and blah blah... a much more thought out version of that is that it seems like unless the winner is a perennial candidate who easily could have won 10 years ago (like Magris), they've usually recently put out a work that pushes them over the edge. Sometimes this is hyped as one of their best books ever (though time isn't always forgiving to these, like Darkness Visible for Golding or Humboldt's Gift for Bellow), other times it's a head scratcher that for whatever reason the academy saw merit in (ex. Russell and History of Western Phil, Steinbeck and The Winter of Our Discontent, Le Clezio and The African). Not saying this is a rule or anything, but for speculation it could be useful as a springboard for younger writers/those who put books out in the past few years. Between Ishiguro and Magris I'd lean to Magris for no other reason than The Buried Giant was a pretty "meh" book and unless an academy member randomly likes it, I think it'll work against him.

    Edit: Rushdie also has a few books out due in August, Shame and his latest one. It is a small number of books but with the academy condemning the fatwa finally, it could be his year.
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    I must say that I am mostly surprised by this appearance of Ishiguro in our considerations. I've read one of his books, Never Let Me Go, and I really enjoyed it. A great tale, a wonderful exploration, a thrilling account of humanity and its inhumanity. And yet I didn't feel it had much weight to it. Perhaps I need to read it again (I certainly enjoyed it enough to do so), but I suspect it isn't the book that he would be awarded for anyways given it dabbles a bit in science fiction and the academy's general discomfort with "genre" fiction. Perhaps that is changing, though I am heistant to suggest it. I have read a few of his short stories from his collection Nocturnes, and they were resoundingly mediocre. Powerfully so - some of the first books I read when I started reading for pleasure which I decided was just not good enough to continue reading. But I have A Pale View of Hills in my e-reader taking up space for years now, and maybe I should give him a chance to be enjoyed. By what I have read on here and in a few other forums there is little reason to believe that he isn't worthy, but I wonder if he is like Murakami and Atwood, both of whom are good but not, to my mind, serious contenders for the Nobel (though I´m willing to concede a little ground to Murakami).

    A short list with Thiong'o, Lobo Antunes, Carson, Ferrante, Knausgaard (surely he must be getting talked about at this point), Solstad, Ko Un, Marias, and Can Xue, Magris, Murakami, and maybe even with Ishiguro? Any combination of this mixture is simply a very, very good list of competitors.

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    guys, please... it is a public library... meaning that you cannot deduce shit from whether books are checked out or not... christ... but as long as it keeps you busy...

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    We've been aware from the beginning that checking the library could mean absolutely nothing, it was just a fun way to pass the time and got me reading some more books I might not've picked up otherwise.

    Also, you might want to look at the lending rules again. Ishiguro and Magris having books due in August out is a little suspicious and it doesn't seem like public members can check books out for that long.

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    In preparation for the speculation thread that'll probably pop up in the next week or two, here's a more organized post summing up stuff about the library:

    -Ishiguro is most likely on the short list. Back in May he had books out due in August, and the public can only get books for 30 days. Perhaps it could be a red herring like others say, but it's still something to keep in mind.

    -Claudio Magris and Javier Marias could be on it. Both had a surprising amount of volumes out, but the library is closed from mid-July to mid-August and I'm not sure if those days count for that 30 day period. Either way, Magris isn't exactly gripping reading, so I'd be surprised if all of those are from the public (with Marias, I'd be less shocked). Worth watching these guys this year.

    -I wouldn't read too much into the other authors with books checked out. If this year's laureate comes from that list, then next year we can take more stock in that, but until then, I wouldn't hold my breath. I know I tend to see things where there's honestly nothing so now I'm trying to dampen my imagination

    -The database tells us who is definitely not under consideration. Ex. Don Paterson and William T. Vollmann. I've seen both bandied about as possible winners, but the former only has 3 books in there and Vollmann only has 15 (of which 7 are volumes of Rising Up and Down Unabridged and 1 is a magazine that happens to contain a story by him). I think we can forget about them winning any time soon.
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    -Ishiguro is definitely on the short list. Back in May he had books out due in August, and the public can only get books for 30 days. I doubt the academy would go to the trouble of making a false flag.
    I would bet all my money, all my property, even my life that he isn't...

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    Being on the shortlist is still being on the shortlist. Also, unlike Tolkien, I could see him being seriously considered.

    Edit: Also, EllisIsland, what makes you so sure he's not? I'll rephrase it so it's not so definite, but only Academy members could have checked out all those books. It's at least worth keeping in mind in the speculation thread.
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