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    This article talks about him as a compromise choice, so your averaging of Kipling and Lessing fits in perfectly! http://www.zeit.de/kultur/literatur/...omplettansicht

    Also, a short video of him commenting on Danius' description of his writing style: https://www.svt.se/kultur/bok/kazuo-...presskonferens

    And thanks for writing your Bangladesh story, Humayun Azad, in the other thread. Was a treat to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ater, Lividus, Ruber, & V View Post
    This article talks about him as a compromise choice, so your averaging of Kipling and Lessing fits in perfectly! http://www.zeit.de/kultur/literatur/...omplettansicht

    Also, a short video of him commenting on Danius' description of his writing style: https://www.svt.se/kultur/bok/kazuo-...presskonferens

    And thanks for writing your Bangladesh story, Humayun Azad, in the other thread. Was a treat to read.
    Perhaps it has been linked to earlier in the thread and I missed it because, you know, I was reading it as quickly as possible so that I could get into the conversation, but has that interview been posted in its whole at any point?

    I will say he speaks really damned well. Exactly as you would expect, I suppose, given the writing style he has, but nonetheless I am impressed by his articulate response. He makes me want to read Jane Eyre again, if only because I didn't love it.

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    The Danius one, OTM?

    Here it is. Starts at 7:55.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZwziZh-dPk

  4. #144

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ater, Lividus, Ruber, & V View Post
    The Danius one, OTM?

    Here it is. Starts at 7:55.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZwziZh-dPk
    No - the second, with Ishiguro sitting by the window and answering all those questions, the one from the Swedish (?) website.

    Thank you for that link though. It was interesting to hear.

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    One of the small pleasures I experience whenever the Nobel Prize for Literature is announced is Sara Danius's choice of outfit. Always on point.

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    Nah, I don't think they've published it in full - that video. Maybe tonight or tomorrow? I found his press release, though.

    https://www.svt.se/kultur/bok/kazuo-...ar-en-stor-ara

    There's also a massive amount of Japanese television focused on him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqheQPWcSwQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMm4jEzwok0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC08fWMBV_E


    More videos:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertain...-was-a-mistake
    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertain...he-nobel-prize
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gavQN__kdqw

    Edit again:

    I think the Harry Ransom Center at the University of Texas, Austin now has four laureates? GGM, Coetzee, Lessing, and Ishiguro.
    Last edited by Ater, Lividus, Ruber, & V; 05-Oct-2017 at 21:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthEastAsianLit View Post
    To my mind, Lessing and Kipling were clear clues. Both British, both writing in English. Lessing was 87 when she won, Kipling was 41. The average of these two ages is 64, Ishiguro is 63. That's why the reference to the youngest and oldest winner in literature. This years winner is mid way between the two. Or maybe I am over thinking?
    He's 62. Even at 63 that math doesn't work out.

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    So I gave myself some time to process the way I reacted, and I think now I could put my initial feelings into words: because although I loved immensely Never let me go, which became one of my favourite books, I always thought of Ishiguro as that cleverly kind of writer who is only suited to the man booker, you know (as he won for the remains of the day), and I know some great (and obviously deserving) nobel winners like Coetzee or Golding (ok, one could debate this one, but the thing is that he's more known for his nobel than for his booker win) themselves won the booker. But the point I want to make is that In my mind Ishiguro never seamed to display the bearings of a nobel laureate. I never thought of him as a nobel winner - even though that too is debatable, of what consists the qualities of a nobel-winning author. And now more than ever I want to read his whole body of work to understand better the decisions behind his pick; me having read that one book doesn't allow me to get it yet...
    But that's all a matter if impression, something more generated by what his persona as a writer tells me than anything else; and something which I'm most willing to do deconstruct in my mind - if in the end I find that possible.

    (btw, I just got excited and bought a hardcover edition of The buried giant. I was luck to find it in stock in one of our online book shops. It cost me some 88 reais - about 28 dollars - so it better be worth it )

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    Oh, and I suggested this average age thing, but I guess it was the guy from the Philippines who said I was overthinking.
    And ok, he's 62 going on 63 and the result of the division of 129 by two isn't exactly - but it's pretty close nonetheless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartleby View Post
    Oh, and I suggested this average age thing, but I guess it was the guy from the Philippines who said I was overthinking.
    And ok, he's 62 going on 63 and the result of the division of 129 by two isn't exactly - but it's pretty close nonetheless
    We're absolutely reading the clues backwards and finding ways to make them make sense. We're literature readers and making abstractness more concrete is part our of hobby. It's part of the fun of a speculation thread.....the speculation part.

    I have also been wondering if the odds shifting around Yan Lianke and Ko Un are related to someone leaking "something something Asian writer" and people betting based on that....and then what was really being said was "writer of Asian descent...." maybe with a smirk to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie B View Post
    off the radar this year, but not a complete shock.
    Not really true!

    Despite that, if Laszlo KRASZNAHORKAY, Mircea CARTARESCU, Penti HOLAPPA, Norman MANEA, Kazuo ISHIGURO, Ilse AICHINGER, John ASHBERY, Friederike MAYRÍCKER... will be the 2017 Litterature Nobel Prize, I will be happy too!...
    Deus ex machina

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isahoinp View Post
    Ew

    Was he even on the betting odds at all?

    Only seven novels and one work released in the last 12 years.
    Ishiguro has published one novel in the last 12 years and hasn't won any international awards. Not gonna win.

    Vous connaissez en franšais l'expression : "Rira bien qui rira le dernier"?...
    Deus ex machina

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septularisen View Post
    Ishiguro has published one novel in the last 12 years and hasn't won any international awards. Not gonna win.

    Vous connaissez en franšais l'expression : "Rira bien qui rira le dernier"?...
    In Portuguese we have a very similar excursion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septularisen View Post
    Ishiguro has published one novel in the last 12 years and hasn't won any international awards. Not gonna win.

    Vous connaissez en franšais l'expression : "Rira bien qui rira le dernier"?...
    It seemed unlikely to me. I was also expecting the Academy to turn its nose up at fantasy.

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    Ordered three of his works and I have Remains of the Day somewhere in a bag of books I got at a library book sale for $1.

    The last time I read one of his works I was probabaly 13 years old. So we'll see. Sadly, unless I get through some of the other stuff I've piled up he'll remain unread for years.

    Before I read him I want to get through the remaining East Asian winner's books I've purchased and all of the shorter English winners I have (less than 300 pages). So roughly 30 books. Hopefully I can crank through them.

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    These lists of reading are wonderful things. But there must be room for inspiration too))) in the morning you can wake up with thought - I want to read ...X. For me it's great part of pleasure in reading. But of course, tomorrow I will visit my University library and borrow two novels by Ishiguro)))

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    Quote Originally Posted by leopold View Post
    These lists of reading are wonderful things. But there must be room for inspiration too))) in the morning you can wake up with thought - I want to read ...X. For me it's great part of pleasure in reading. But of course, tomorrow I will visit my University library and borrow two novels by Ishiguro)))
    That's how I work as well, by inspiration...

    Another good article on the paths the nobel's been taking
    https://newrepublic.com/article/1452...ize-literature

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uemarasan View Post
    Nothing wrong with this, though? At least they vacillate between the relatively lesser-known and the relatively well-known (to the layman). From Modiano and Alexievich to Dylan and Ishiguro. I can celebrate both kinds of authors.
    I must admit that my previous comment sounded a bit harsh, but I can quietly state that I do enjoy reading Ishiguro, it happened with most of his books.
    But for me, this prize to Ishiguro was yet another confirmation of this recent populist drift the SA has taken, and I do not like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartleby View Post
    Another good article on the paths the nobel's been taking
    https://newrepublic.com/article/1452...ize-literature
    I was referring to this recent SA populist drift in my post just above and I hadn't even read Shephard's article.
    Thanks for the link! Glad to not be the only one feeling in that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Shephard
    This myopic, often pretentious outlook was essential to the Nobel Prize’s identity. As the most important and powerful literary prize in the world, it has tremendous cultural influence and can turn relative nobodies like Transtr÷mer and Herta MŘller and Imre KertÚsz into global names. It remains the most powerful tool in upsetting the hegemony of corporate publishing, which has created a homogenous book culture driven by sales and popularity.
    Amen to that!

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    After a night's sleep, my thoughts are that while Ishiguro is an excellent writer, it's a rather unexpected decision to say the least. He really hasn't written that much, and there's never been any great upswell of support for awarding him the prize. Many of the arguments against writers like MarÝas and Krasznahorkai were that it wasn't their time, hadn't done enough - well, that argument doesn't hold up any more.

    Last night, I was far more positive, but while I'm still fairly happy for him, I can't say I'll be rushing to reread his work as I've got a lot of other books to get to (for example, I'm currently reading Naoya Shiga's 'A Dark Night's Passing').

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