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What can I say? I am infinitely proud of you. I hope you have an inherent sense of accomplishment. To think my encouragement made the difference is overwhelming! I'm simply so delighted that everyone will now have the chance to read your brilliant thesis on Lionel Britton in its entirety, for it is a stunning achievement! ~Titania "You can't ensure against the future, except by really believing in the best bit of you, and in the power beyond it." ~D. H. Lawrence
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I had originally intended my previous post to be my final one – the time comes when we really do have to move on – but I now realize, after having deleted the concluding paragraph, that this seems a rather hollow way of ending my own contributions to a thread I originally started. With that firmly in mind, I now conclude.
Lionel Britton is a major working-class writer, and within that field a tremendously important modernist. His only published novel, Hunger and Love, is a vast, sprawling, digressive work of considerable power: the fact that Bertrand Russell was so interested in the book – and that he continued to correspond with Britton for some decades after writing a highly enthusiastic Introduction to the novel - is evidence of Britton's power as a writer. And the fact that Bernard Shaw was largely responsible for the earlier staging of Britton's play Brain is also highly significant. That Lionel Britton had some influence on George Orwell is little known, but at last some recognition is beginning to manifest itself. To read, Britton can anger, amuse, excite, fascinate and bore. Sometimes all at the same time. As I write, there are virtually no copies of Hunger and Love for sale online. Re-publication, with a sizeable Introduction, is vital. Perhaps I can revive from my lethargy to put forward a proposal to publishers, although I doubt if the idea of publishing a 700-page, vastly digressive book by a still virtually unknown author will ever appear very sexy to any publisher in the middle of a recession. Lionel Britton is noted for his repetition, so why shouldn't I, the person who has been promoting the work of the man for years, repeat myself? Looking over the posts to this thread, 'Titania' has consistently, and very enthusiastically, supported my aims towards this promotion, and I can only say: 'Titania', please accept my profound gratitude for all your efforts, my love. I only wish I could say more here. Tony Last edited by lionel; 12-Mar-2009 at 22:43. |
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The long missing bust of Lionel Britton - sculpted by Fredda Brilliant and mentioned in post #4 - was sold via Live Auctioneers on 13 April 2009 for a remarkably cheap $350. The bust is signed and 16" tall.
For much more information on Lionel Britton: http://tonyshaw3.blogspot.com Last edited by lionel; 16-Apr-2009 at 19:55. |
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A first Fredda Brilliant bust of Lionel Britton has recently been discovered, along with comments from Brilliant's book Fredda Brilliant: Biographies in Bronze. Er, brilliant though Brilliant was, I don't think, from reading this attachment, that she quite grasped 'socialist realism', and certainly didn't understand that Britton was a modernist. But then, I wonder if Britton himself realized he was a modernist.
http://tonyshaw3.blogspot.com Last edited by lionel; 17-Jun-2009 at 11:14. |
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Speaking of anarchists and Camden - and of course Lionel Britton was an anarchist who spent a large chunk of his life in the Borough of Camden - I found myself with plenty of time to spare on my way from St Pancras station to the annual Open University literature conference in Camden Town last Saturday. Walking slowly to savour to the full the glorious early morning sunshine, I had time to seek out something I'd not seen on previous occasions: in St Pancras Garden is the memorial tomb of William Godwin (1756-1836). Today, Godwin is most noted for his novel Caleb Williams, so I was mildly surprised to see him mentioned as the writer of Political Justice. The inscription faces south, but on the east-facing side of the tomb is an inscription dedicated to his wife Mary Wollstonecraft (1759-97), who is remembered by her still most famous work, A Vindication of the Rights of Woman. Lionel Britton may have known of this memorial, and if so would obviously have felt a sense of fellowship.
I was less pleased by the absence of psychotropic mushrooms on Camden Market: our wonderful government outlawed the sale of them a few years ago. The sale of dope has long been illegal, of course, but to encounter no skunk dealers around Camden Lock seemed rather odd. But then, Britton - who even looked forward to the demise of the pub - would again certainly have approved. Dr Tony Shaw |
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But how'd you like to live with a woman who can't tell left from right - this can play havoc when you're driving and she's directing, although I think she's got the political direction sussed. Thanks for coming back, by the way. I bet you've still not wiped your feet though. ![]() http://tonyshaw3.blogspot.com/ Last edited by lionel; 04-Jul-2009 at 05:06. |
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I still may not be on the main thread, but my thoughts on Lionel are below, and I do hope they don't spread any confusion!
The Lionel Britton thread is a little quiet at the moment, perhaps because Dr Tony Shaw feels he has said all he can for the time being. In this respect he is in stark contrast to my Great-Uncle, who never let one word suffice when twenty would do, and basically never knew when to rest his case, but in other respects there is a meeting of minds between them. I would hesitate to pin labels on the thinking of either man, for one thing because if Dr Shaw can write a whole thesis on Uncle Lionel and thereby obtain his PhD they each defy labelling by any ordinary mortal, and for another because in the course of researching my family I have discovered my cousin in Canada, Justin Thomas, who has built his fame and fortune on Label Liberation. (Details on Dr Shaw's blog ![]() However, if you described Tony as a wild anarchist you wouldn't be too far off, and he wouldn't bat an eyelid...(before firing off a flame e-mail of course). Britton is rather harder to put into any convenient box, otherwise what has Tony been absorbed with all this time? If you could just tick "anarchist", "revolutionary", "mad genius", "atheist", "social non-conformist", "scourge of the bishops", "conscientious objector", "anti-capitalist", "totalitarian", "anti-totalitarian"; then it would be all over in two minutes, job done; but Dr Shaw has spent what, six years, seven, on this stuff? When I was growing up I was told that extreme genius was just next door to madness, and Uncle Lionel was always adduced as an example. I made sure not to become an extreme genius, didn't do too well on the madness thing though. The man was regarded by the family as a genius who happened to be a fruit cake, or vice versa. No-one doubted that he could speak 22 languages, in part of course because no-one could call him on it unless they spoke 22 as well; and not many of us could do that. Eric! you should have met him. My view of flies doesn't differ too much from President Obama's, but oh to be one on the wall at your meeting! We had a book, which sadly I have now lost, called "Batu Khan". This was an immensely long Russian saga about the son of Ghengis, who was hardly less of an ogre than his old man. It was translated out of the Russian language by Lionel Britton. According to all the known beliefs of my uncle, Ghengis & Son would have been anathema; but by a huge irony the connection has sometimes made me a a bit of a celebrity in Turkey, where these guys are hugely revered! Anyone who could translate that thing out of the Russian and get away with it probably knew his stuff, after all somebody probably actually read it, which was more than I ever did. Apart from his huge facility with languages, Uncle Lionel's achievement is questionable, but that is all discussed in Tony Shaw's thesis, which appears in full on . Tony's work is centred on Lionel Britton's seminal "Hunger and Love", and while I cannot add anything to a thesis so comprehensive, I do happen to be one of about three people on the Planet who have actually waded through the novel, and so I hope no-one minds if I offer an opinion. When I was a young man, about the age Lionel was when he was a shop assistant in London, I was...a shop assistant in London. The passages about Arthur Phelps' daily grind are so authentic it almost hurts. The holes in his strides, and his lack of any funds to do something about it, why, I have been there! The refrain about the lack of love and sex resulting from his lack of material means is also authentic because so familiar. So far so good. He was at least as convincing as Orwell, who was if anything an imitator, while achieving the commercial success that Britton not merely eluded but eschewed. Whereas I totally believe in Lionel's personal experience of the bollocks he went through, (in the 1911 census there he is in black and white: shop assistant), we know that Orwell was conducting an experiment, which became "Down and out...etc." Where it starts to go tits-up, (an authentic English expression particularly well-understood in such places as Boston, Lincolnshire. Sorry, Eric!), is that Orwell beat Britton to the punch by writing "Animal Farm" and "1984". Britton was every bit as perceptive as Orwell: he visited Russia only to become disillusioned with Stalinism by seeing it at first hand. The problem is that while Orwell wrote two definitive works challenging the collectivist, even totalitarian, orthodoxies of his time, Britton seems stuck in a 1930s timewarp. Taking "Hunger and Love" together with his off-the-wall "Brain", it appears that he doesn't so much think "the man in Whitehall really does know best...", but that a disembodied power should rule us all! There are two paradoxes here then, aren't there? A deeply philosophical thinker who scoffed at the notion of a higher power as conceived by contemporary religions, (and religious scepticism extended to his brother, my grandfather, and also very likely to his father Richard), he nevertheless dreamed of rule by a Universal Intelligence. "Ah," you may say, "but he wanted a rational man-made one, nothing to do with the irrational beliefs of old". The problem there of course is that one man's rationality is another man's tyranny. The second paradox is not in the fact that he railed against "trade" or the capitalist system despite being a product of the commercial classes. I was in Birmingham at this last New Year researching the family, and have only just begun to discover how deeply embedded the family was in the whole process which Lionel describes as "trade". We were his "beast-men": those who turned out trinkets and baubles for princes and fraudsters. The Brittons, the Smiths, the Waddams, Taylors and Hortons: they were all at it, conniving in a huge conspiracy to take away man's humanity. It is not of course only the manufacturers and traders who cop it from the pen of Lionel, the legal profession takes quite a big hit, (father Richard was a solicitor, as was grandfather John James Britton). And as for the Church, well, you can hardly flip open "Hunger and Love" at any page without noting an excoriation of "Milord Bishop" and his co-conspirators in the government, the army, the police force, etc. etc. One of John James Britton's forebears was supposed to have been Dean of Durham, and two of his sons, (Lionel's uncles), were vicars. And a big family friend was the Reverend Thomas Perkins, who wrote books about ecclesiastic architecture, and went on to marry Ethel Alice Britton, Lionel's aunt. This, then, was not unconscious self-loathing, but completely conscious rejection by Lionel of everything which had formed him. Oh, and I nearly forgot that his great-grandfather Samuel Thomas had become one of the foremost needle manufacturers in Redditch, Worcestershire, having established a huge factory there supplanting what had previously been largely a cottage industry. One of my cousins has told me that at one time Samuel needed sixteen bodyguards to protect him from the stonesthrowing populace of the town. Lionel's grandfather Samuel Thomas appears to have been cut off from any substantial fortune and was condemned to travel around Europe touting the needles. Trade, trade, trade. Even Irza Thomas, my great-grandmother and Lionel Britton's mother, was a "commercial traveller" in the 1911 census, but enough family history already, you will have the idea by now. In Lionel's worldview the conspiracy against the likes of Arthur Phelps ran from the King and his ministers, through the ranks of the armed forces and the massed cohorts of the "beast-men", (those churning out the junk that people wanted to buy, like clothes), through the bishops and clergy, right down to the humble shopkeeper, (exploits the worker and customer all at once), and landlady (rents him a roof over his head, but not from the goodness of her heart). Arthur's environment, his life in fact, is totally controlled by the conspirators. Would it be too much to ask whether Lionel believed the system he opposed to be a totalitarian one? I was never taken to see my Great-Uncle, not even once. For that matter, I never met old Irza Britton who lived to 92 surrounded by cages of cats. I suspect in Lionel's case it was mostly because he wasn't easy company. You will find an account on Dr Shaw's blog of the person who said he didn't want to go and meet Lionel at Lyons Corner House because he didn't relish being shouted at for an hour or so.In Great-grandmother Irza's it could have been the cats. My cousin Dorothy, (one of only three living people who knew Lionel personally, to my knowledge), attests that she had to climb three flights of stairs up to the top flat of the spooky old house, only to be confronted by the malevolent stares of those cats. She didn't like the experience! If I could rewind time and ask Great-Uncle Lionel one thing, (assuming of course I could get a word in edgeways), it would be whether he believed the system was totalitarian. I might just have made him nail his colours to the wall and say "yes!". In that case, I would have asked what "Brain" was all about? There is our second paradox. (If this doesn't get Dr Shaw leaping out of his bath-chair and reaching for his flamethrower, nothing will!) Even hardened literary freaks, (and are there any other kind visiting WLF?), may well find it a challenge wading through the Lionel Britton oeuvre. "Brain", for example, even though we know exactly what it's all about, is widely regarded as impenetrable gibberish according to a number of reviews, but don't take my word for it, go to the world's incontrovertible expert. "Hunger and Love", a copy of which I had to purchase at vast expense, is readable just about, but padded with what I might politely term a stream of consciousness, (there is a more scatological term, but Eric, are you out there?). One of these days I might get around to "Spacetime Inn", if only because Lionel inscribed it so beautifully to my mother on her thirteenth birthday, in the flyleaf of a copy which I actually have in my possession. I remember her telling me many, many, years ago that it was decidedly odd and that there were various characters including Queen Victoria, all hanging around in a pub. You can see this sample of Lionel's handwriting on You may wonder if I'm puffing Dr Shaw's blog. HaHaHaHaHa! Whatever gives you that idea??? Some people have even questioned whether I AM Tony Shaw! You know, there are things they can do now with computers which analyse writing styles and can tell which horny old goat wrote what part of Shakespeare. Well, if anyone can prove to me incontrovertibly that I am Tony Shaw, (Eric?), I will personally hand them £10,000 in used notes. (I haven't got them, but then I'm not Tony Shaw). Why I heartily recommend his blog is precisely because he knows how to cut to the chase, which is the key distinction between him and my poor old Great-Uncle, whom Tony admires while by no means being blind to Lionel's deficiencies. I am reminded of one of Keebah's jokes. (Keebah was my grandfather, Lionel's brother, and don't ask me how he got the name as I can't remember, but I made it up and then the cousins copied it. It was no dafter than Bob, which he is said to have been called because when a toddler he came down the stairs on his butt, bob, bob, bob. His real name was Reginald Percy Leopold of course). The inspector goes into the lunatic asylum and discovers a chap who appears perfectly sane. After a few conversations, he decides to confide in him that he intends to recommend him for release. "Oh, thank goodness for that!", says the lunatic, (not very PC is it? I should be saying "person of challenged societal functionality", and then probably go on a course to cure my thought-crime. Gordo has to stimulate the economy somehow). As the inspector prepares to leave, the loony says "Now look, you're not going to forget about me are you? They've been before, and promised me stuff, then they seem to forget!" "Good heavens, no!", says the inspector, "in my professional opinion, you're as sane as I am!" Once again, as he is being checked out of the gate, the inspector finds the individual bounding up to him and saying "look, you do know it's really important to me don't you? It's not a lot of fun being banged up in here with all these Lunatics!" "You can depend on me," says the inspector. As he walks away down the drive, a brick hits him in the back of the neck. Barely clinging to consciousness, he turns around to see the lunatic grinning at him over the wall of the asylum: "Don't forget now!" Having a look at Dr Tony Shaw's blog is a delight not merely because of the discourse about Lionel Britton, but because he covers a massive array of other topics, mostly literary but including pubs he likes and lots more. Oh, and you get to meet my relatives! Just viewing the side bar where he displays books which he has read and could give you a considered opinion upon will alert you to the awesome range of the man. Tony's view of the world is in certain respects not my own, but that's hardly the point, is it? What he shares with me, and with my Great-Uncle Lionel, is a loathing of pomposity and hypocrisy dressed up as an excuse to stuff us all for our own greater good. I make no bones about saying that Dr Shaw is an imcomparably better writer than Great-Uncle Lionel, mainly because Tony knows when to quit and Lionel didn't. If Shaw writes about Lionel Britton, then you may do better reading his writing than going back to the source. Trust me, I've been there! If you have read Tony's thesis and you STILL want more, I expect they have a bed for you somewhere; although being England you may have to wait howling for a few months. A joke, guys. Remember them? Before PC? Take a butcher's at his blog: Repetitive, moi? It must be better than a brick in the back of the neck, that's for sure. |
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Some followers of this thread may have missed the lack of the elephant in the room: the previous post was an exhortation to visit Dr Tony Shaw
but it didn't appear. Tony Shaw also taught me to put in more paragraphs, but this site has actually taken them out again, or at least cut out my double spacing! Censorship, censorship. Boo! A message for Alexis, if you're reading this: the darkest night is before the dawn. Don't give up. |
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George: Thank you.
Liam: I like your adaptation of George's words very much, too, dear. But here is my own, for what it's worth: I think the darkest hour is the one in which we recognize ourselves for the deeply flawed mortals we are. . .and that the dawn is when we realize that we can make the most of our life, in spite of this. Is not the sun more beautiful than ever when it appears after a turbulent thunderstorm? ~Alexis (Titania)
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Titania, you are so right.
I just was trying to feel the poetry of it, (and probably failing!) I'm a guy who has lived in America and of course in England, where I was born. Sometimes I become confused about what time it is. The sun rises, and the sun sets. Our little clock by our bedside, (my wife used to call her Feargina, but she may have forgotten: four babies and a career! I admire her. I do hope she hasn't forgotten me along the way. Ach, I expect she remembers me, I snore next to her some nights.) Girl, I'm so glad to see you posting. How are things in Louisiana, and how is Mom? Dr Shaw is going to kill me for saying this, but when you get to my age you just get to care about the people you care about, and please remember you have friends, and we're there for you. |
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Nah, guys, it was the Bud. It may have been half-past three in the afternoon, but I hadn't been to bed from the previous night!
I'm in the doghouse today all right, and I missed a perfectly good barbecue. All those lamb-chops! Duh! (Sorry Lionel) My little girl wasn't actually born in the Okeefenokee Swamp, nor even conceived there, but we discovered she was on the way the same day as going out on the Swannee River and spotting alligators. For a guy who likes boats and reptiles and is devoted to his children, you can see why that day was one of the highlights of my life! Another time I'll tell you about our visit to New Orleans, but it hasn't much to do with Lionel Britton. So to clear up any confusion, Titania: I hope all is well in Atlanta Georgia! |
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It's also, and I'll stick my neck out here, probably unique in being a first novel in which there was no editing whatsoever by the publisher. I'm sure Britton saw this as a major kick in the ass of the bourgeois publishers, as well as a kick in the ass of all 'respectable' institutions. Oh yeah, you say about three (living, I take it) people on the planet have read it. Let's see, people I'm aware of who've stated they've read it, to my knowledge alone, are me, you, Katie Gramich, Adam Daly, Kenneth P. Neilson, Harry Berberian, and Book Books "Book Books" (don't ask, but he or she reviewed it on amazon.com in 2005). You see, George, that already more than doubles your estimate, and there must be many more people around. I know John Shapcott, the chair of the Arnold Bennett Society, has just bought a copy, and he seems pretty determined to get through it. But at present, bookfinder.com only shows one copy for sale - anywhere. I really must get round to finding someone to re-publish it. Ah, Britton and translation. Shortly before his death, Britton was interviewed by a Sunday Times journalist, and stated that some of those languages he wasn't actually fluent in. Wild anarchist, moi? Wild pacifist anarchist would definitely make me lay off the vitriol. But how can I get vitriolic about this post, George? It's informative, it's considered, it's very amusing, and I thank you very much indeed for this contribution to my thread. How much did you say you wanted? |
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Oh, a few fleas will do, Lionel!
Some time in the late 'sixties, perhaps even in 1970, my mother showed me an article in the paper and said "Look, this is Uncle Lionel!". I'm reasonably sure that this was the one where he said he was 'better than Shakespeare', which would have definitely goaded my mother as she was trained at the RADA and acted Shakespeare a very great deal in the days when she trod the boards, mostly during the course of the Second World War...(see Dr Shaw's blog for an anecdote or two). In fact, come to think of it, she guarded Shakespeare rather zealously. My recent research has turned up the fact that my father's mother also was a Shakespeare fan; and I previously had wondered how on earth my parents came to be an item! The slightly odd thing about the article you quote, Lionel, is that Lionel Britton actually has the humility to admit less than perfection in any area whatsoever, but then I suppose if you are acknowledged to speak 22 languages, the admission of less than fluency in one or two of them is more of a reinforcement than anything... No flies on him then, never mind fleas! |
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Lionel might have taken the bait slightly by naming all the people who have actually read 'Hunger and Love'.
I'm sure he knew better than anyone that I meant it figuratively when I referred to the 'three people' who had read this obscure, exasperating, yet startlingly original book. Anyway, he has forgotten Ioann. Are you out there, Ioann, and did you finish your copy? As for Harry, I'm not sure there is any physical evidence that he exists at all. For anyone who can prove to me that they have met him in the flesh, I will offer a thousand shares in Gordon Brown Futures. Hurry, hurry while stocks last!
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