Clarice Lispector

Bartleby

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Recently bought a volume of the complete chronicles she wrote to the newspapers (in a similar design of that of her complete short stories, but yellow). I just love randomly opening it and seeing her intriguing mind unravelling. She was given the freedom to write whatever she felt like, uncompromisingly. Here is a short entry from the first page I translated:



The Surprise

To look at oneself in the mirror and say dazzled: How mysterious I am. I am so delicate and strong. And the curve of my lips has maintained its innocence.

There is no man or woman that by chance has not looked in the mirror surprised with oneself. For a fraction of a second we see ourselves as an object to be looked at. One could call this narcissism, but I would call it: joy of being. The joy of finding on the exterior figure the echoes of the internal figure: oh, so it is true I did not imagine myself, I exist.
 

Bartleby

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I recently read The Passion According to GH. Some of the writing is just lovely, at least in the translation that I read. The language is sparse and baroque at the same time, and really purposeful, as if her sole purpose is to explain and describe. The beauty of the language, when it happens, felt almost accidental, a by-product of her search for exactitude.

That said, I found the book hugely disappointing. All of those moments so carefully described didn't seem to add up to anything. And after a while, the book felt almost willfully drift-y and obscure. A bit like smoke and mirrors. I realize that other people love this book and found it revelatory, so I'll probably go back and try Lispector again one day, but not for a good long while.
After what you said, I think you’re going to enjoy The Hour of the Star more. The beginning, kind of the prologue, reads a bit like Passion, but it’s short and after that it’s a pretty much straightforward story, with a punch in the end... it’s quite melancholy in a very meaningful way.
 

Leseratte

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Thank you all for this beautiful thread, with serious discussion on Clarice Lispector. She most certainly is Brazil´s most original woman writer.

To those interested in her biography, who read Portuguese, I recommend her first biography by Nádia Battela Gotlieb, Clarice: Uma Vida que se Conta (1995). I see the one of Benjamin Moser as a sort of update of it in a hegemonic language.

Here is a spoiler:
 

Bartleby

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Recently I've visited a friend of mine who lives in São Paulo, and there, at the cultural institution IMS, was having an exposition on Lispector, with lots of her manuscripts on show, audio and video interviews, personal objects, paintings by her etc, as well as some paintings by other artists that related spiritually to her work.

And there were quite a lot of photos of her, I've taken these two:

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And (shock!) this de Chirico painting!


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I must say, the whole thing was quite a treat ?
 

Leseratte

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I don´t live far from Av Paulista (where IML is), but on account of the pandemic I haven´t visited it for ages. These pictures are interesting, because they are among the more recent ones, except the last one which looks like her painting by Chirico.
I should love to visit that exibition!
Here you are (in English- click on exibitions) and there is also an exbition about writer Carolina de Jesus:
 
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Bartleby

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I don´t live far from Av Paulista (where IML is), but on account of the pandemic I haven´t visited it for ages. These pictures are interesting, because they are among the more recent ones, except the last one which looks like her painting by Chirico.
I should love to visit that exibition!
Here you are (in English- click on exibitions) and there is also an exbition about writer Carolina de Jesus:
Yes I also saw the Carolina de Jesus exhibition. Coming from the Clarice one, all introspective, it was quite the contrast, with the former being all loud celebration, rage and protest. It was a great one too!

Oh, could have almost met, being so close to each other!

I should say that if you feel safe to go, the institution was asking for everyone's vaccination cards.
 

Leseratte

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Yes, but maybe next time :). I don´t travel much these days, but I suppose you´ll come again to SPaulo sometimes.
It´s really tempting, but as the exhibition will go on until February I´ll wait a bit to see how Omikron is behaving.
 

Benny Profane

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Clarice inherited the accent and the harshness from Pernambuco and the accent and the bravery from Ukraine.
What a such combination! LOL!

PS: She was so gorgeous... And I wonder why she snubbed a lot of men and fell in love by Lúcio Cardoso...
 

Benny Profane

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The definitive collection (in Portuguese):


Well, I read all the posts of this thread! No one mentioned The Chandelier (O Lustre) here, her best book, in my opinion.

I don't like The Hour of The Star.
I think it's so juvenile and oriented for teenagers or depressive persons who engaged a lot in social media and it's indicated by therapist as an exercise of therapy.
And it has a biased vision of poor migrants from Northeast of Brazil (that didn't old very well in nowadays).
 
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Leseratte

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Clarice inherited the accent and the harshness from Pernambuco and the accent and the bravery from Ukraine.
What a such combination! LOL!

PS: She was so gorgeous... And I wonder why she snubbed a lot of men and fell in love by Lúcio Cardoso...
Beautiful present edition! I think they used her own pictures to decorate it.
 

Bartleby

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The definitive collection (in portuguese):

Oh, goodness! Why did you post this!? Now I need it as water! haha
(taking a look at it, I only want the novels, for I have her complete short stories and crônicas in one volume. Either way, a beautiful collection)

Well, I read all the posts of this thread! No one mentioned The Chandelier (O Lustre) here, her best book, in my opinion.
Agreed! My favourite from her; read it twice, and thinking of doing a third read. This one also I keep thinking of trying to turn into a script, just for pleasure - well, initially at least.
 

Leseratte

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The movie (A Hour of the Star) based on Lispector´s book of the same name. With cc in Portuguese.
 

DouglasM

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I don´t live far from Av Paulista (where IML is), but on account of the pandemic I haven´t visited it for ages. These pictures are interesting, because they are among the more recent ones, except the last one which looks like her painting by Chirico.
I should love to visit that exibition!
Here you are (in English- click on exibitions) and there is also an exbition about writer Carolina de Jesus:

I visited Clarice's exhibition a couple weeks ago, on January 6th. Loved every bit of it, but most of all the many versions and pages of the Agua Viva manuscript - and Clarice's many personal objects.

Carolina Maria de Jesus' exhibition was also incredible - I took many pictures of both. While Clarice made me introspective and philosophical, Carolina left me bathing in my own tears and ready to overthrow the government :LOL: . @Bartleby's description of both nailed it.
 
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Bartleby

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Clarice Lispector's complete crônicas are being published this September and The Paris Review has been sharing some excerpts from it. As they explain it:

In 1967, the Jornal do Brasil asked Clarice Lispector to write a Saturday newspaper column on any topic she wished. For nearly seven years she wrote weekly, covering a wide range of topics—humans and animals, bad dinner parties, the daily activities of her two sons—but the subject matter was often besides the point. These genre-defying missives are defined by a lyricism and strangeness that readers of her fiction will recognize, though they are a thing apart in their brevity and interiority. Too Much of Life: The Complete Crônicas, which collects these columns and others Lispector wrote throughout her career, will be published in English by New Directions this September. As Lispector’s son Paulo Gurgel Valente has written, “Enjoy the columns, I know of nothing quite like them.”


I'll put one of them here:

July 6, 1968

The Discovery of the World

What I want to tell you is as delicate as life itself. And I want to use the delicacy that exists inside me along with the peasant coarseness that is my saving grace.

As a child and, later, as an adolescent, I was precocious in many things. In sensing an atmosphere, for example, in picking up on someone else’s personal atmosphere. On the other hand, far from being precocious, I was incredibly backward as regards other important things. Indeed, I continue to be backward in many areas. And there’s nothing I can do about it: it seems there is a childish side of me that will never grow up.

For example, until I turned thirteen, I was very backward in learning what Americans call “the facts of life.” The expression, “facts of life,” refers to the profound love relationship between a man and a woman out of which children are born. Or did I understand, but deliberately muddied my potential for understanding so that I could, without feeling too shocked at myself, continue innocently to dress myself up for the benefit of boys? Dressing myself up when I was eleven consisted in washing my face until my taut skin gleamed. I would feel ready then. Was my ignorance a sly, unconscious way of keeping myself innocent so that I could guiltlessly continue to think about boys? I believe it was. Because I always knew about things that I didn’t even know I knew.

My school friends knew everything and even told stories about it. I didn’t understand, but I pretended to understand so that they would not despise me and my ignorance.

Meanwhile, unaware of what the reality was, I continued, purely instinctively, to flirt with the boys I liked, and to think about them. My instinct preceded my intelligence.

Until one day, when I had already turned thirteen, as if only then did I feel mature enough to receive some shocking real-life news, I told my secret to a close friend: that I was ignorant and had only pretended to be in the know. She found this hard to believe because I had pretended so well. However, finally convinced that I was telling the truth, she took it upon herself, right there on the street corner, to explain the mystery of life to me. Except that she was equally young and didn’t know how to talk about it in a way that would not wound the sensitive soul I was at the time. I stood staring at her, open-mouthed, paralyzed, filled with a mixture of bewilderment, horror, indignation and mortally wounded innocence. Mentally I was stammering: but why? what for? The shock was so great — and for a few months really traumatizing — that right there on that street corner I swore out loud that I would never marry.

Some months later, though, I forgot my oath and continued my little romances.

Later, when more time had passed, instead of feeling shocked by the way a man and a woman come together, I thought it perfect. And extremely delicate too. I had, by then, been transformed into a young woman, tall, thoughtful, rebellious, with a large dose of wildness and more than a pinch of shyness.

And yet before I became fully reconciled to the way life works, I suffered a lot, something I could have avoided had a responsible adult taken it upon themselves to explain about love. That adult would have known how to approach a childish soul without tormenting her with that unpleasant surprise, without obliging her, all alone, to come to terms with it in order, once again, to accept life and its mysteries.

Because what is truly surprising is that, even when I did know all the facts, the mystery remained intact. Even though I know that a plant produces flowers, I am still surprised by nature’s secret paths. And if, today, I still retain my modesty, it is not because I see anything shameful in the facts — it is merely female modesty.

And life, I swear, is beautiful.
 

Ben Jackson

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Still consider Agua Viva a wild, complex book but brilliant book despite its short length. Can you guys recommend some of other brilliant works?
 
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