Elfriede Jelinek

Verkhovensky

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She reminds me, somehow, of Houllebecq.
She is much more misanthropic. When reading her, you just feel that contempt towards humanity... I read her early novel Women as Lovers last year, and it just gets you thinking: Dear Elfride, why are you so vile?
It's even funny in a way. She is so exaggerated, like some sitcom character.

edit: The Piano Teacher was legitimately great book. Albeit really unsettling.
 

Liam

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^Same here, I used to think that she was simply brutal, but with the passing of years I came to appreciate her humor as well. I second V's thoughts on The Piano Teacher: a legitimately great character study, with many amazing passages probing the heroine's warped psyche. My favorite scene is when she has a fight with her mother and slips on the hallway rug because her shoes are covered in dog shit from spying on people in the park at night, ?
 

dc007777

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^Same here, I used to think that she was simply brutal, but with the passing of years I came to appreciate her humor as well. I second V's thoughts on The Piano Teacher: a legitimately great character study, with many amazing passages probing the heroine's warped psyche. My favorite scene is when she has a fight with her mother and slips on the hallway rug because her shoes are covered in dog shit from spying on people in the park at night, ?
Another standout is when Jelinek makes a cutsie rhyme when describing Erikah's relationship with her mother. Something along the lines of "She doesn't need a Tom, she's got mom." In any other book, that line would be so corny but in Jelinek's hands, it's so unnerving it becomes funny.
 

Leemo

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I'm quite curious to read a book from Jelinek, which I've yet to do. Would experienced readers of hers recommend that I start with The Piano Teacher, even if I've already seen (and loved) the film adaptation, or am I better off starting somewhere else?
 

Leseratte

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I'm quite curious to read a book from Jelinek, which I've yet to do. Would experienced readers of hers recommend that I start with The Piano Teacher, even if I've already seen (and loved) the film adaptation, or am I better off starting somewhere else?
Same with me.
 

Ben Jackson

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I have read about five books of Jelinek thus far. I actually agree with what you guys have said about how grim and serious her works are. But you guys have to appreciate her formal experimentalism. Among the female Nobel Laureates, I would say she's the most experimental, especially in her theatrical pieces. Her plays makes use of fairytales, Greek Choruses (voices and counter voices), mass psychology and other stuff. I don't really have a problem with writers writing grim or pessimistic stories (Beckett and Cela did and I loved them), but when your work slip towards pornography or controversial scenes just to say that society's decaying, kind of keeps me off from her at times. As for recommendations, I think one should start with Piano Teacher. However, my favourite piece from Jelinek is her masterful drama Sports Play, which I read last month. It explores mass psychology and how violence emerges through sports, with references to Canetti and other philosophers. It's based on a true story about how the civil war in Yugoslavia in 1991 began during a football match. It's not a usual play, sometimes the character, partly inspired by Jelinek, usually speaks of how the play would be directed in the play. Let me provide an illustration using myself:

Ben

I want the director to cast the player this way: the fan can wear a red jersey, he might be married or not, he might be 30 or younger, but he must be tall, at least six feet and dark skinned. He might attend the match alone or with his friend.


Despite the literary community, and some Academy Members attacking the choice of Jelinek, some citing her works as too pornographic and lacking morals, some even saying Oates is deserving choice, but Engdahl defended her choice when he said something like "when some writers want to become transgressive, they do it to the point of been too artificial and fake." And honestly, if Oates has been more consistent in her vision, which's something Jelinek definitely has, she could have been a whole better choice.
 
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