Postmodernism

[Ben Jackson]

Postmodernism is an artistic and literary movement which rejects principles of established modernism. It was influenced by the theories of Jacques Derrida, Federic Jameson, Foucault and others. Magic realism and meta-fiction is considered part of Postmodernism.

Key Members:
?? Vladimir Nabokov
?? Italo Calvino, Umberto Eco
?? Paul Auster, Vonnegut, Pynchon, Robert Coover, William Burroughs, Don De Lillo, John Barth, John Hawkes, William Gaddis
?? Gerald Murnane
?? Salma Rushdie
?? Haruki Murakami
?? Mo Yan
??????? John Fowles, JG Ballard
?? Jachym Topol

 

[wordeater]

No women?

 

[Benny Profane]

No women?

Isak Dinesen (Karen Blixen), Anna Kavan, Lydia Davis, Cora Sandel, Toni Morrison, Clarice Lispector, Toni Cade Bambara, Margaret Drabble, Muriel Spark, A.S. Byatt, etc.

 

[Liam]

The more interesting question for me (at this point in my life) would be, Is there anything after postmodernism? Or are we pretty much stuck with it forever? Not that humanity is going to be around for much longer, by the looks of things, so maybe it's a silly question to ask, ?

 

[Ben Jackson]

Isak Dinesen (Karen Blixen), Anna Kavan, Lydia Davis, Cora Sandel, Toni Morrison, Clarice Lispector, Toni Cade Bambara, Margaret Drabble, Muriel Spark, A.S. Byatt, etc.

Thanks for the listing the women. I forgot to list them earlier.

One can also add Tokarczuk, Ali Smith and Dubravka Ugresic.

 

[Ben Jackson]

The more interesting question for me (at this point in my life) would be, Is there anything after postmodernism? Or are we pretty much stuck with it forever? Not that humanity is going to be around for much longer, by the looks of things, so maybe it's a silly question to ask, ?

Same question I asked myself, until I found out about Empatism, a new artistic and literary movement that just began in Italy in 2020. I don't know anybody who is influenced by this movement yet; haven't read any author from this movement as well. Seems the world is still stuck with Postmodernism.

 

[Benny Profane]

The more interesting question for me (at this point in my life) would be, Is there anything after postmodernism? Or are we pretty much stuck with it forever? Not that humanity is going to be around for much longer, by the looks of things, so maybe it's a silly question to ask, ?

Maybe Hyper-realism, Neo-brutalism or Cyber-modernism.

 

[Benny Profane]

Same question I asked myself, until I found out about Empatism, a new artistic and literary movement that just began in Italy in 2020. I don't know anybody who is influenced by this movement yet; haven't read any author from this movement as well. Seems the world is still stuck with Postmodernism.

Empatism from empathy?

 

[Leseratte]

Same question I asked myself, until I found out about Empatism, a new artistic and literary movement that just began in Italy in 2020. I don't know anybody who is influenced by this movement yet; haven't read any author from this movement as well. Seems the world is still stuck with Postmodernism.

Isn't that the New Sincerity ?

 

[Liam]

Cyber-modernism.

I was going to say something similar as the world becomes increasingly digitized, human writing is going to resemble more and more the language of computer programs, etc. I honestly hope it doesn't come to that as that would be pretty boring (to me), but I'm sure plenty of people would still find that interesting so... ?‍

 

[Ben Jackson]

Empatism from empathy?

Yea.

The main objective in this movement is to present empathy as the artistic backdrop, just like absurdism was to absurdist fiction. It just began in 2020, so maybe it'll take some time before it reaches mainstream. It's different from New Sincerity.

"The movement was born in South Italy and places empathy at the center of a new vision of the self," according to Wikipedia. Wikipedia page listed the key members/leaders of the movement.

 

[Benny Profane]

I was going to say something similar as the world becomes increasingly digitized, human writing is going to resemble more and more the language of computer programs, etc. I honestly hope it doesn't come to that as that would be pretty boring (to me), but I'm sure plenty of people would still find that interesting so... ?‍

Have you heard about ChatGPT, @Liam , our new phenomenon? I think it is our future...

Well, I believe that Postmodernism last so long is because since 00's we have no millennial big name who innovated nothing. What we have now is what was left from 20th century.
100 years ago, we had James Joyce, Louis-Ferdinand Céline, Marcel Proust, Virginia Woolf, Scott Fitzgerald, Sinclar Lewis, the Modernist Week in Brazil, etc.
And today? Nothing! ?‍

 

[Benny Profane]

Yea.

The main objective in this movement is to present empathy as the artistic backdrop, just like absurdism was to absurdist fiction. It just began in 2020, so maybe it'll take some time before it reaches mainstream. It's different from New Sincerity.

"The movement was born in South Italy and places empathy at the center of a new vision of the self," according to Wikipedia. Wikipedia page listed the key members/leaders of the movement.

Empathism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Benny Profane]

Isn't that the New Sincerity ?

No, New Sincerity is a 90's movement such as Grunge and Alternative Rock.
By the way, David Foster Wallace seems a Grunge musician.

 

[wordeater]

Postmodernism is vague to define. I see it as a reaction against modernism, which was heading too much in one direction. Juxtaposing older and newer style elements is possible, jumping between highbrow and lowbrow, and inclusion of a non-western perspective.

Some names: Abdulrazak Gurnah, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, David Mitchell, Yann Martel, Michel Faber, Isabel Allende, Lyudmila Ulitskaya, Haruki Murakami...

 

[Ben Jackson]

Have you heard about ChatGPT, @Liam , our new phenomenon? I think it is our future...

Well, I believe that Postmodernism last so long is because since 00's we have no millennial big name who innovated nothing. What we have now is what was left from 20th century.
100 years ago, we had James Joyce, Louis-Ferdinand Céline, Marcel Proust, Virginia Woolf, Scott Fitzgerald, Sinclar Lewis, the Modernist Week in Brazil, etc.
And today? Nothing! ?‍

I think the issue for lack of artistic innovation is artistic laziness on the part of the writers and the inattention in literature on the part of the writers.

Also 100 years ago, there was Andre Brenton and Tristan Tzara, leaders of both Surrealism and Dadaism.

About David Forster Wallace, I think he collaborated in some albums by Sonic Youth and R E M.

 

[kpjayan]

The more interesting question for me (at this point in my life) would be, Is there anything after postmodernism? Or are we pretty much stuck with it forever? Not that humanity is going to be around for much longer, by the looks of things, so maybe it's a silly question to ask, ?

Isn't it this new Bizarro Fiction Genre, one of these new movement ?

Bizarro fiction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/bizarro-fiction

Kenji Siratori's books are that coming to my mind. I have his 'Nonexistence' waiting to be read. Cyberpunk Literature and all that..

 

[Leseratte]

Isn't it this new Bizarro Fiction Genre, one of these new movement ?

Bizarro fiction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/bizarro-fiction

Kenji Siratori's books are that coming to my mind. I have his 'Nonexistence' waiting to be read. Cyberpunk Literature and all that..

Sounds interesting, but as yet mainly based on some presses. With all the globalization we have today it seems difficult to establish a more universal movement

 

[ralfy]

No, ChatGPT Is Not The End Of High School English. But Here’s The Useful Tool It Offers Teachers.

English class is not dead; however, some teachers may need to do a bit of soul searching.

www.forbes.com

ChatGPT doesn’t mark the end of high school English class, but it can mark the end of formulaic, mediocre writing performance as a goal for students and teachers. That end is long overdue, and if ChatGPT hastens that end, then that is good news.

Check out the first comment to that article.

The End of High-School English

I’ve been teaching English for 12 years, and I’m astounded by what ChatGPT can produce.

www.theatlantic.com

Now that might be about to change. The arrival of OpenAI’s ChatGPT, a program that generates sophisticated text in response to any prompt you can imagine, may signal the end of writing assignments altogether—and maybe even the end of writing as a gatekeeper, a metric for intelligence, a teachable skill.

What Should English Teachers Do about ChatGPT?

By John Edlund In late November 2022, a company called OpenAI opened public access to an AI called ChatGPT. Those who sign up for an account can ask it questions, give it instructions, and converse…

erwc.blog

Advice:

• Design AI-proof assignments
• Devise better AI detection practices
• Have students hand write their essays in class
• Help students use the tool wisely and effectively

ChatGPT may be coming for our jobs. Here are the 10 roles that AI is most likely to replace.

ChatGPT may be a fun tool to play with, but there's a very real risk that it could displace jobs across many industries.

www.businessinsider.com

• ChatGPT is only a few months old and already causing waves in the business world.
• Experts say ChatGPT and related AI could threaten some jobs, particularly white-collar ones.
• Insider compiled a list of 10 jobs this technology could replace, according to experts.

 

[Benny Profane]

Interesting articles.
I suggest to the staff members do a off-topic thread about ChatGPT to not distort this thread.
What do you think, guys?