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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrabal78 View Post
    Applefeld is Israeli but writes little about life there. Most of his work focuses on Jewish life in Europe before, during and after World War II. He is relatively apolitical or, at least, does not really voice his opinion on political issues/the conflict one way or the other.

    I think Grossman is the most left-leaning of the trio but, as you said, I do not really see an Israeli winning the prize given the political climate in the region. When Agnon won in '66 (year before the infamous '67 conflict) the political climate was not as charged. As much as I would like to see Oz win, I do not see it happening.
    Grossman has an excellent chance to win, if not now then later, due to his compelling personal story, his politics (including his journalism), his relative youth, and of course his outstanding artistry.

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    Since there is not much news while we wait for this year's winner, let's take a look at the competition to the Nobel Prize.

    Please consider the Austrian State Prize for Literature with a record maybe even better than the Nobel, except for a couple of awards from around the '90s given to German/Swiss/Polish writers who have not been translated too much yet (the snitch Szczypiorski, Laederach and Heissenbüttel, whose famous last words were: 'like a chocolate milkshake, but crunchy'):
    2012: Patrick Modiano
    2011: Javier Marías
    2010: Paul Nizon
    2009: Per Olov Enquist
    2008: Agota Kristof
    2007: A. L. Kennedy
    2006: Jorge Semprún
    2005: Claudio Magris
    2004: Julian Barnes
    2003: Cees Nooteboom
    2002: Christoph Hein
    2001: Umberto Eco
    2000: António Lobo Antunes
    1999: Dubravka Ugrešić
    1998: Antonio Tabucchi
    1997: Jürg Laederach
    1996: Aleksandar Tišma
    1995: Ilse Aichinger
    1994: Inger Christensen
    1993: Chinghiz Aitmatov
    1992: Salman Rushdie
    1991: Péter Nádas
    1990: Helmut Heissenbüttel
    1989: Marguerite Duras
    1988: Andrzej Szczypiorski
    1987: Milan Kundera
    1986: Stanisław Lem
    1984: Christa Wolf
    1983: Friedrich Dürrenmatt
    1982: Tadeusz Różewicz
    1981: Doris Lessing
    1980: Sarah Kirsch
    1978: Simone de Beauvoir
    1976: Italo Calvino
    1975: Pavel Kohout
    1974: Sándor Weöres
    1973: Harold Pinter
    1972: Peter Huchel
    1971: Sławomir Mrożek
    1970: Eugčne Ionesco
    1968: Václav Havel
    1967: Vasko Popa
    1966: W. H. Auden
    1965: Zbigniew Herbert
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    Then for poets there's the Struga Golden Wreath laureates, which, except for maybe an excess of Yugoslavian poets, has a very solid record too (Nobel winners in italics):

    1970 Miodrag Pavlović (Yugoslavia)
    1971 W. H. Auden (USA)
    1972 Pablo Neruda (Chile)
    1973 Eugenio Montale (Italy)
    1974 Fazıl Hüsnü Dağlarca (Turkey)
    1975 Léopold Sédar Senghor (Senegal)
    1976 Eugčne Guillevic (France)
    1977 Artur Lundkvist (Sweden)
    1978 Rafael Alberti (Spain)
    1979 Miroslav Krleža (Yugoslavia)
    1980 Hans Magnus Enzensberger (West Germany)
    1981 Blaže Koneski (Yugoslavia)
    1982 Nichita Stănescu (Romania)
    1983 Sachchidananda Hirananda Vatsyayan Agyey (India)
    1984 Andrey Voznesensky (USSR)
    1985 Yiannis Ritsos (Greece)
    1986 Allen Ginsberg (USA)
    1987 Tadeusz Różewicz (Poland)
    1988 Desanka Maksimović (Yugoslavia)
    1989 Thomas W. Shapcott (Australia)
    1990 Justo Jorge Padrón (Spain)
    1991 Joseph Brodsky (USA)
    1992 Ferenc Juhász (Hungary)
    1993 Gennadiy Aygi (Chuvash Republic, Russian Federation)
    1994 Ted Hughes (United Kingdom)
    1995 Yehuda Amichai (Israel)
    1996 Makoto Ooka (Japan)
    1997 Adunis (Syria)
    1998 Lu Yuan (China)
    1999 Yves Bonnefoy (France)
    2000 Edoardo Sanguineti (Italy)
    2001 Seamus Heaney (Northern Ireland)
    2002 Slavko Mihalić (Croatia)
    2003 Tomas Tranströmer (Sweden)
    2004 Vasco Graça Moura (Portugal)
    2005 William S. Merwin (USA)
    2006 Nancy Morejón (Cuba)
    2007 Mahmoud Darwish (Palestine)
    2008 Fatos Arapi (Albania)
    2009 Tomaž Šalamun (Slovenia)
    2010 Lyubomir Levchev (Bulgaria)
    2011 Mateja Matevski (Macedonia)
    2012 Mongane Wally Serote (South Africa)
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    There is also the Principe de Asturias:

    1999: Günter Grass
    2000: Augusto Monterroso
    2001: Doris Lessing
    2002: Arthur Miller
    2003: Fatema Mernissi and Susan Sontag
    2004: Claudio Magris
    2005: Nélida Pińon
    2006: Paul Auster
    2007: Amos Oz
    2008: Margaret Atwood
    2009: Ismail Kadare
    2010: Amin Maalouf
    2011: Leonard Cohen
    2012: Philip Roth.
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    And finally, the latest of the Anti-Nobel Prizes, the Man Booker International Prize:

    2011 Philip Roth United States
    2009 Alice Munro Canada
    2007 Chinua Achebe Nigeria
    2005 Ismail Kadare Albania

    (All data greedily grabbed from Wikipedia, so we know that is guaranteed to be accurate ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleanthess View Post
    Then for poets there's the Struga Golden Wreath laureates, which, except for maybe an excess of Yugoslavian poets, has a very solid record too (Nobel winners in italics):

    1970 Miodrag Pavlović (Yugoslavia)
    1971 W. H. Auden (USA)
    1972 Pablo Neruda (Chile)
    1973 Eugenio Montale (Italy)
    1974 Fazıl Hüsnü Dağlarca (Turkey)
    1975 Léopold Sédar Senghor (Senegal)
    1976 Eugčne Guillevic (France)
    1977 Artur Lundkvist (Sweden)
    1978 Rafael Alberti (Spain)
    1979 Miroslav Krleža (Yugoslavia)
    1980 Hans Magnus Enzensberger (West Germany)
    1981 Blaže Koneski (Yugoslavia)
    1982 Nichita Stănescu (Romania)
    1983 Sachchidananda Hirananda Vatsyayan Agyey (India)
    1984 Andrey Voznesensky (USSR)
    1985 Yiannis Ritsos (Greece)
    1986 Allen Ginsberg (USA)
    1987 Tadeusz Różewicz (Poland)
    1988 Desanka Maksimović (Yugoslavia)
    1989 Thomas W. Shapcott (Australia)
    1990 Justo Jorge Padrón (Spain)
    1991 Joseph Brodsky (USA)
    1992 Ferenc Juhász (Hungary)
    1993 Gennadiy Aygi (Chuvash Republic, Russian Federation)
    1994 Ted Hughes (United Kingdom)
    1995 Yehuda Amichai (Israel)
    1996 Makoto Ooka (Japan)
    1997 Adunis (Syria)
    1998 Lu Yuan (China)
    1999 Yves Bonnefoy (France)
    2000 Edoardo Sanguineti (Italy)
    2001 Seamus Heaney (Northern Ireland)
    2002 Slavko Mihalić (Croatia)
    2003 Tomas Tranströmer (Sweden)
    2004 Vasco Graça Moura (Portugal)
    2005 William S. Merwin (USA)
    2006 Nancy Morejón (Cuba)
    2007 Mahmoud Darwish (Palestine)
    2008 Fatos Arapi (Albania)
    2009 Tomaž Šalamun (Slovenia)
    2010 Lyubomir Levchev (Bulgaria)
    2011 Mateja Matevski (Macedonia)
    2012 Mongane Wally Serote (South Africa)
    William S. Merwin ...my favorite U.S. poet. Frankly, I am surprised that Ashbery gets mentioned for the Nobel but Merwin does not (I prefer Merwin to Ashbery). As we discussed, a writer's worth is not solely defined by how many awards he/she has received but Merwin's list cannot be ignored: 2 Pulitzers, a Golden Wreath Award, National Book Award, The Tanning Prize, the Bollingen, not to mention that the guy is prolific and writes pretty awesome poetry.

    It brings to mind two other gross omissions. Tom Stoppard always seems to be discussed as a contender for the prize but what about Edward Albee and Neil Simon? All three are major playwrights who write in the English language but I never really see Albee or Simon being discussed. Simon, I have a feeling, gets dinged because a lot of his stuff is comedy, as opposed to serious drama, but come on people his stuff is absolutely brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleanthess View Post
    And finally, the latest of the Anti-Nobel Prizes, the Man Booker International Prize:

    2011 Philip Roth United States
    2009 Alice Munro Canada
    2007 Chinua Achebe Nigeria
    2005 Ismail Kadare Albania

    (All data greedily grabbed from Wikipedia, so we know that is guaranteed to be accurate ).
    Man Booker International Prize and Premio Príncipe de Asturias de Literatura. Two great awards ruined by Philip Roth in back to back years

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    McCarthy is now 10/1 and Kundera 12/1.
    To be honest I can't understand why they have not yet rewarded Kundera. Might this be his year? (I doubt it but this would be awesome :P )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davus View Post
    McCarthy is now 10/1 and Kundera 12/1.
    To be honest I can't understand why they have not yet rewarded Kundera. Might this be his year? (I doubt it but this would be awesome :P )
    There is a handful of very worthy candidates that are over the 80 hump that are deserving of the honor but may never get it, including: Kundera, Munro, Edward Albee, Eco, Achebe, W.S. Merwin, Neil Simon (IMO), Juan Goytisolo, Adonis, William Trevor. There is also a number of deserving candidates that are approaching 80: i.e. Cees (79), Ko Un (79), Pynchon (75), Kadare (76), DeLillo (75). There is a pretty good chance that most of these (very very deserving) candidates will never get the prize because they will be passed over for too long. Personally, I would take age into account to some extent. Mo Yan, Murakami, even nadas are youngsters compared to Adonis, Trevor, Achebe, Kundera, Munro, etc. They can, likely, wait an extra 3-4 years. If I was on the jury and deliberating between Mo Yan and Munro, for example, both worthy candidates, I would take into consideration that Yan is over 20 years younger than Munro and that he, likely, will be around longer than Alice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrabal78 View Post
    There is a handful of very worthy candidates that are over the 80 hump that are deserving of the honor but may never get it, including: Kundera, Munro, Edward Albee, Eco, Achebe, W.S. Merwin, Neil Simon (IMO), Juan Goytisolo, Adonis, William Trevor. There is also a number of deserving candidates that are approaching 80: i.e. Cees (79), Ko Un (79), Pynchon (75), Kadare (76), DeLillo (75). There is a pretty good chance that most of these (very very deserving) candidates will never get the prize because they will be passed over too long. Personally, I would take age into account to some extent. Mo Yan, Murakami, even nadas are youngsters compared to Adonis, Trevor, Achebe, Kundera, Munro, etc. They can, likely, wait an extra 3-4 years.
    If you read through the Nobel prize threads of previous years, you'll find out that most of the WLF-contributors couldn't agree more with you, Hrabal.

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    Last words from Orthofer before the announcement:

    http://www.complete-review.com/saloon/#eb1

    Three hours, 20 minutes and counting!

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    30 minutes before the announcement Kundera is once again 16/1 and McCarthy 14/1 so there was probably error yesterday.
    But Oates jumped to 9/1! Stay tuned.

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    30 minutes guys! Apparently there was no leak this year as the Ladbrokes list never revealed anything or had any unusual behavior. Let's just wait for Mr Englund to appear in front of that white door and start talking...

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    This year's laureate might be an obscure name or unexpected loner, due to the last two years 'popular' laureates. Anyways, I turn to this thread in the last half hour prior to the announcement, for hope that someone might post a leak of the winner.

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    And it is Mo Yan ladies and gentleman

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    Mo Yan - how Ladbrokes and Unibet have predicted this?

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    So, it's Mo Yan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davus View Post
    Mo Yan - how Ladbrokes and Unibet have predicted this?
    Smells like a leak again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davus View Post
    Mo Yan - how Ladbrokes and Unibet have predicted this?
    Obviously another leak, which they covered up with Murakami and Peter Nadas, a recognizable name and a relatively (to most people) obscure one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter_d View Post
    Smells like a leak again...
    Yeah, but the leak that popped up in August! They surely did not chooce winner so early!

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