Nobel Prize in Literature 2023
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Ben Jackson
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Watching the announceements from years ago, I remembered the excitement of the journalists hearing Grass, Transtromer, Lessing been announced. The one that made me laugh was Le Clezio, a journalist once asked who he was, and Engdahl mentioned Revolution of Le Clesio as one of his best works. There was also excitement when Pamuk and Pinter was announced, somewhat confusion about Jelinek and Herta Muller, but the finest moments was the thrilling announcement of Transtromer (there was instant cheer and clappings from the crowd) and the air of suspense from Danius in announcing Dylan and Ishiguro. But now, with Malm, we're in the years of dryness.
I also missed the designed diplomas, the finest for me been Transtromer and Solzhenistyn. Now, the diploma is just like the current times: unadorned and uninspiring.
ministerpumpkin
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Ben Jackson
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You can search on the Nobel Prize website, for example: Announcement of 2006 Nobel Literature Prize. The website has clips for 1998, 99, 00, 04---- till date. I haven't seen 2001--2003 and the years before 1998.
Daniel del Real
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When is he going to step down as permanent secretary?
Benny Profane
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Where is the announcement, Ben?
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I think a lot of the austere solemnity we're seeing with Malm's announcements is a direct result of the Arnault affair. I'm sure the Nobel Fund wanted the announcements to seem more professional, hence the debriefing panel directly after, reminiscent of the science awards. The situation isn't helped, however, in that Malms is not very charismatic, but I don't think he's to blame for everything.
Papageno
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Yes, I agree with you and the others 100%. Just for the sake of systematization, I think we can list four distinct ways in which this phenomenon of simplification is manifesting:
(1) just boring unenthusiastic journalists in the audience; why can't we go? We'd create an atmosphere;
(2) Mats Malm, who looks permanently bored. I miss Sara Danius so much. Even though I disagree with the Dylan prize vehemently, one could see that she relishes the excitement she has generated, and that is the true spirit of the Nobel Prize. I also miss Peter Englund;
(3) very generic citations (this has started with Glück, I believe ("for her unmistakable poetic voice" - I mean, would they have given it to someone "for her generic poetic voice?")). what happened to "the cartography of power" or "the landscape of the dispossessed?";
(4) no art on the diplomas! I think it is nothing short of a scandal that they stopped including the artwork in the diplomas, and I wonder why journalists, ever so keen on bashing the Nobel committee, do not press them on that issue. I mean, look at Patrick Modiano's diploma: it is nothing short of a spectacular work of art, in the best tradition of livre d'artiste, an artistic vision inspired by Modiano's work, but which is a work of art in itself... Less than a decade later, his compatriote Annie Ernaux got the generic one-size-fits-all one. I think putting them one by one brings out the contrast.
Ben Jackson
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Under Grass documentary, a short clip of Engdahl announcing his name and Grass walking on sidewalk (I think it's Berlin) and been interviewed. You can search it on Nobel website.
Leseratte
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Ÿes. In short they took everything out of the prize that made for beauty and specifity.
Leseratte
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That is not his fault but the announcer needn't be an actor of Hollywood but he might be better chosen.
Mÿ secret and pretentious hope is that someone important reads this thread and that they will improve on the announcement next year
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Hamishe22
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Oh I had forgotten about Glück's citation. Yup, it's poetry. No mistaking it with a cartoon or a box of milk. It can only be poetry.
Benny Profane
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For all those who are asking where is the short clip, here is: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1999/grass/documentary/
Benny Profane
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Off-topic: well, for all those who are asking himself/herself about no women prize in Literature for this year, stay happy!
Claudia Goldin won the Nobel Prize in Economics alone (an unprecedent fact because she was the first woman who won the Nobel Prize alone).
I think she would win in 2021 alongside David Card for their studies on Labour Market and I also think this fault an absurdist event (unfairness is very common in Economic SA).
Her body of work includes gender gap, labor market for women, racism in the labour market, human capital, women trade-off between work, pills and babies and many peculiarities.
I do recommend her masterpiece written with her husband Lawrence Katz called The Race Between Education and Technology.
Claudia Goldin won the Nobel Prize in Economics alone (an unprecedent fact because she was the first woman who won the Nobel Prize alone).
I think she would win in 2021 alongside David Card for their studies on Labour Market and I also think this fault an absurdist event (unfairness is very common in Economic SA).
Her body of work includes gender gap, labor market for women, racism in the labour market, human capital, women trade-off between work, pills and babies and many peculiarities.
I do recommend her masterpiece written with her husband Lawrence Katz called The Race Between Education and Technology.
Benny Profane
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About the lack of motivation on Nobel Prize in general, I notice that this phenomenon is generalized because the audience is dropping and the most of people don't care more about the Nobel event.
On the one hand, SA has been facing the complains and the allegations that the prize is Eurocentric and chauvinist. So, because of that,
we can constate that the Nobel week is a protocolar event with compromised choices.
On the other hand, normal and common people don't worth about Sciences and Literature in general because almost of them are entertained with screens and social media. Complex subjects are so much information for millennials in general and many of them like to have "likes" with useless discussions, plastic surgeries and poses in paradisiacal places. Gen Y and Gen Z don't have the suitable motivation to be scientists or writers.
On the one hand, SA has been facing the complains and the allegations that the prize is Eurocentric and chauvinist. So, because of that,
we can constate that the Nobel week is a protocolar event with compromised choices.
On the other hand, normal and common people don't worth about Sciences and Literature in general because almost of them are entertained with screens and social media. Complex subjects are so much information for millennials in general and many of them like to have "likes" with useless discussions, plastic surgeries and poses in paradisiacal places. Gen Y and Gen Z don't have the suitable motivation to be scientists or writers.
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redhead
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He probably has 2 or 3 years left at minimum. Supposedly he is quite good at the other duties, like the administrative tasks, which the role entails.
Liam
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I don't have proof, obviously, but I think part of the reason for the simplification of the diplomas might be the fact that they want them to look the same for everyone, sort of like the Oscar statuettes are the same: no one stands out as "unique" except for the fact that they got the award in the first place.
alik-vit
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But almost all of diplomas for scientists keep the paintings.
Yeah, that was journalist, comedian and provocateur Gert Fylking (friend of Horace Engdahl)
A nice video of the two of them going through book recommendations for christmas in Sweden