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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadshadz View Post
    I'm thinking rather than singers, writers like J.K. Rowling and Stephanie Meyer could see some rises in the odds. Does anyone know when those betting lists usually come out?
    They should be out by early September.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie B View Post
    Thanks for the details, kadare. I picked the book up a few years ago because of strong reviews. I'm really looking forward to reading it now. By the way, I just noticed that The Fall... has been translated by John Hodgson, a Brit who has translated at least four Kadare novels including A Girl in Exile: Requiem for Linda B which will be released in hardcover in early 2018. Oddly enough, a paperback edition was released back in March.
    A Girl in Exile is one of his weakest works. Or, as POTUS would say: total disaster.


    Quote Originally Posted by redheadshadz View Post
    Coincidentally I started Chronicle in Stone today and at 1/3 through I'm loving it. Will definitely have to check out some of Kadare's other works. And I wonder if he could nab the Nobel this year? He's been in the running for 20, maybe 30 years and still hasn't won, but Grass and Naipaul were in similar situations.
    According to Kadare's Albanian publisher, the first time he has been nominated was in 1974, most likely by the French. At that time he had only three works out in France: The General of the Dead Army, The Siege and Chronicle in Stone. I suppose they didn't expect a writer living and writing under a Stalinist dictatorship to write "normal" literature or to defy Socialist Realism.

    As for him winning this year I'm rather skeptical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    If it were up to me, a poet would win this year and every year, from now until the end of time--
    So which poet would you like to win this year?
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    J.K. Rowling or Margaret Atwood will win this year.

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    I'd be more than happy if they chose someone from Africa (Ngugi wa Thiong'o has the biggest chance, I guess) or Asia/Australia/South America (I guess that Ko Un and Murakami are the safest choices - what might mean that they won't win :P ).
    Or maybe they won't choose a novelist, short story writer, poet, playwright but - for example - a philosopher? Or theoretician? Judith Butler? Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak?

    I'd like to see a Nobel prize for gay literature. Edmund White? Alan Hollinghurst?

    Or maybe Nobel prize for screenplays? Woody Allen? Pedro Almodovar? Charlie Kaufman?

    There are many possibilities if they'd like to broaden term 'literature' once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ater, Lividus, Ruber, & V View Post
    General question. What type of author would you all like to see this year be award: a novelist; a poet; a dramatist; a philosopher; or a nonpareil, "new-genre" writer (like movie scripts, comics, translator, etc)?
    I'd love to see comics recognized.

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    What about an essayist? I was organizing my shelves yesterday and came upon Roberto Calasso's Ardor, which I still haven't read, but intend on doing it soon. The Paris Review called him "a literary institution of one" and in Italy Calasso is like a living legend, one that has written extensively on the history of modern literary thought through the analysis of ancient myths. Given the prizes the SA has given since Sara Danius took office as permanent secretary, I wouldn't put my money on a traditional winner this year too, so an essayist or literary critic like him could be an interesting choice.

    Of course, I'm just mentioning his name because the book caught my eye. I'm sure many of our fellow users, who have read far more books than me, can suggest other essayists here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DouglasM View Post
    Given the prizes the SA has given since Sara Danius took office as permanent secretary, I wouldn't put my money on a traditional winner this year too
    I've seen statements like this quite often here. Is the influence of the permanent secretary really so big that they can bring about a complete paradigm shift? I doubt that. Correlation does not imply causation...

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    Was Danius on the nobel committee last year or the year before? Didn't realize that being permanent secretary doesn't automatically make you a part of the committee. Here who on the 2017 committee: https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_pri...committee.html

    These are the people who draw up the short list and recommend (usually) 2-3 from those on there for the nobel. So not sure if in prior years it was her influence that drive the academy to unconventional candidates, but this year I'd expect her to have more influence than a normal academy member.

    As for essayists, I've heard good things about Navid Kermani, and based on the little I've read of Magris I'd say he has a lot in common with essayists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadshadz View Post
    Was Danius on the nobel committee last year or the year before? Didn't realize that being permanent secretary doesn't automatically make you a part of the committee. Here who on the 2017 committee: https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_pri...committee.html

    These are the people who draw up the short list and recommend (usually) 2-3 from those on there for the nobel. So not sure if in prior years it was her influence that drive the academy to unconventional candidates, but this year I'd expect her to have more influence than a normal academy member.
    Danius was also there to announce Alexievich, so this will be her 3rd year. This committee is actually smaller than I thought, so perhaps her influence is substantial.

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    But the way it's worded I'm not sure if the permanent secretary is always on the committee.

    Also, we've tried making educated guesses based on academy members' tastes, why not try the same for the committee? As far as I can tell, unless it's an odd year, the academy usually goes for one of the committee's picks (though not always their first pick).

    Edited: I know it's bustle, but this article says last year's committee is the same as this years with the exception of Kjell Espmark who's no longer there: https://www.bustle.com/articles/188009-who-chooses-the-nobel-prize-winner-in-literature-7-people-choose-the-winning-author
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    The Nobel Committee for Literature 2010

    Per Wästberg (Chairman)
    FD, Writer

    Peter Englund (Permanent Secretary)
    Professor, Writer

    Horace Engdahl (Member)
    Ptrofessor, Writer

    Kjell Espmark (Member)
    FD, Emeritus Professor, Writer

    Katarina Frostenson (Member)
    Writer

    Kristina Lugn (Member)
    Writer

    The Nobel Committee for Literature 2011

    Per Wästberg (Chairman)
    FD, Writer

    Horace Engdahl (Secretary)
    Professor, Writer

    Kjell Espmark (Member)
    FD, Emeritus Professor, Writer

    Katarina Frostenson (Member)
    Writer

    Kristina Lugn (Member)
    Writer


    The Nobel Committee for Literature 2012

    Members

    Per Wästberg (Chairman)
    FD, Writer

    Kjell Espmark
    FD, Emeritus Professor, Writer

    Katarina Frostenson
    Writer

    Kristina Lugn
    Writer

    Horace Engdahl (Secretary)
    Professor, Writer


    The Nobel Committee for Literature 2013

    Members

    Per Wästberg (Chairman)
    FD, Writer

    Kjell Espmark
    FD, Emeritus Professor, Writer

    Katarina Frostenson
    Writer

    Kristina Lugn
    Writer

    Horace Engdahl (Secretary)
    Professor, Writer

    Peter Englund (Additional member)
    Professor, Writer


    The Nobel Committee for Literature 2014

    Members

    Per Wästberg (Chairman)
    FD, Writer

    Kjell Espmark
    FD, Emeritus Professor, Writer

    Katarina Frostenson
    Writer

    Kristina Lugn
    Writer

    Horace Engdahl
    Professor, Writer

    Peter Englund (Secretary)
    Professor, Writer


    The Nobel Committee for Literature 2015

    Members

    Per Wästberg (Chairman)
    FD, Writer

    Kjell Espmark
    FD, Emeritus Professor, Writer

    Katarina Frostenson
    Writer

    Kristina Lugn
    Writer

    Horace Engdahl
    Professor, Writer

    Peter Englund (Secretary)
    Professor, Writer


    The Nobel Committee for Literature 2016

    Members

    Per Wästberg (Chairman)
    FD, Writer

    Kjell Espmark
    FD, Emeritus Professor, Writer

    Anders Olsson
    Professor, Writer

    Kristina Lugn
    Writer

    Horace Engdahl
    Professor, Writer

    Associate Members

    Sara Danius
    Professor, Writer

    Katarina Frostenson
    Writer

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    Thanks for those lists. They don't change much year by year, it seems. I'm surprised more African writers haven't won with Wastberg, I thought Africa was his specialty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kadare View Post
    So which poet would you like to win this year?
    The two poets I would most like to win won't happen: one is American and the other ruined his reputation by sleeping with underage kids in Nepal (icky business but his poetry is still beautiful). Anyway, my top two choices would be Mary Oliver and Cathal Ó Searcaigh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Davus View Post
    I'd like to see a Nobel prize for gay literature. Edmund White? Alan Hollinghurst?
    As much as I would love to second the motion, one needs to be very careful to avoid awarding prizes for victimology rather than for long-lasting writing that is actually good. Still, I would like to point out that at least one of the recipients was openly gay--the Australian Patrick White. His last novel (post-Nobel) deals with a character who is a man, and a woman, and a bisexual, and (possibly) a transsexual, it's quite mind boggling. Both of the poets I mentioned above are gay, though Oliver rarely writes about it, her topics are nature and the power of memory and grief.

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    It's pretty interesting to read about the members of the Academy here:

    http://www.svenskaakademien.se/en/the-academy

    Going through their interests, it might be possible to make some educated guesses about the kinds of writers they like to read. For example, in Anders Olsson's biography:

    "The current research project (September 2009) on exile and poetic modernism, dealing with the oeuvres of Nelly Sachs and Paul Celan among others, has so far attracted attention in e.g. the journal Ailos’s double issue on Exile (nos. 30-31 2007), of which Anders Olsson was joint editor."

    So a poet in exile soon, perhaps? Or on Jesper Svenbro's page:

    "In addition, seventeen of Jesper Svenbro’s studies of antiquity have finally appeared in Swedish, in the collected volume Försokratikern Sapfo och andra studier i antikt tänkande (2007). (‘Pre-Socratic Sappho and other Studies of Antique Thought, Jesper Svenbro works in the tradition of the Centre Louis Gernet in Paris, his workplace for the past thirty years, at the intersection of robust philosophical knowledge and inventive hermeneutics. The seventeen studies follow the thesis that accepted Western historiography, with its sharp demarcation between mythos and logos at the time of the pre-Socratic philosophers, is all-to definitive. Myth lived on long into the age of philosophy. In this way, for example, Sappho the poetess was taken up into the philosophers’ circle just as the pre-Socratics were into the poets’."

    Anne Carson?

    And like redheadshadz, I'm surprised there haven't been more winners from Africa with Wastberg there.

    ALR&V, thank you for the syllabi! A lot of great potential to explore there. By the way, I'm surprised that All My Sons takes precedence over The Crucible in the first syllabus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    As much as I would love to second the motion, one needs to be very careful to avoid awarding prizes for victimology rather than for long-lasting writing that is actually good. Still, I would like to point out that at least one of the recipients was openly gay--the Australian Patrick White. His last novel (post-Nobel) deals with a character who is a man, and a woman, and a bisexual, and (possibly) a transsexual, it's quite mind boggling. Both of the poets I mentioned above are gay, though Oliver rarely writes about it, her topics are nature and the power of memory and grief.
    Patrick White is criminally underrated.

    An excellent choice for gay-themed (but not only!) literature would have been — alas — Juan Goytisolo...

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    If a poet is wished for then I offer up Paul Muldoon as a possible candidate. He has the obligatory credentials such as a Pulitzer Prize, former Oxford Professor of Poetry as well as a Princeton faculty member. He also gave the eulogy at Seamus Heaney's funeral service in Dublin in 2013. He has the hip-factor in his favor if that is important, often appearing with a musical band (Rackett) to which he supplies the lyrics. Warren Zevon was a friend and I believe they collaborated on some work. But the poetry - I rank his Incantata as one of the best elegys in the English language since Lycidas. Judge for yourself,

    http://thepoeticquotidian.blogspot.c...incantata.html

    The subject, Mary Farl Powers, was a painter and former girlfriend/lover of Muldoon.

    His poetry is playful, lexicon stretching, sprinkled with topical and also obscure references and is always highly composed all of which could be viewed as positives or negatives depending on your taste and preference.

    The SA could do worse.

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